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Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? #1044292
12/12/08 12:47 PM
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Ok, it has become a standard in the trapping world to dye and wax traps, or to dip water traps.

Now, the only advantage I see to dipping water traps is to prevent corrosion. That's all good, but one caught coon is going to shine that trap up, and now it can corrode. And since most folks don't pull a trap after each catch and re-dip, why dip in the first place? If you don't dip, it will rust and blend in with a creek bottom just fine.

Then there's the land sets. I can see the advantage of waxing traps to minimize odor, but why dye? The trap is buried under the dirt.

Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: ] #1044298
12/12/08 12:51 PM
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I put some water sets out yesterday, brand new traps bought the night before and the went from the store to the water!


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: PappyD] #1044347
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I think with coon it is a waste of time. For other water animals, that don't chew, it helps with corrosion and camo's the trap from thieves. All my land traps this year were dyed and now you'd never know they were ever dyed, unless they didn't make a catch. Heck, the ones that caught coon look brand new again. The cleaning part, in my opinion, is neccesary for canines, and as long as I have to boil them anyway figure I might as well throw some tree bark in the water to color them and maybe give them some natural odor.


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: goldy] #1044356
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i think its a waste of time to dye them. i dont wax them but thats it


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: goldy] #1044362
12/12/08 01:29 PM
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I'm old school. I boil and dye my traps then wax them. I think the wax may make the trap scent free though game will know we have been in the area and around the set anyway. The main thing about the wax is it will make the trap lightning fast for it is so slick. Just boiling them and then waxing would work but like goldy said if you boil them you may as well throw in some bark or hard wood leaves, black walnut hulls etc.


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: BamaCoyote] #1044419
12/12/08 02:03 PM
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Buck, As a traditionalist, learning from my mentor 55 years ago, I continue to dye traps with black walnut hulls/sumac berries and wax them with a blend of paraffin and beeswax - both land and water traps - including my Conibears. I have never used the synthetic dips.

I am not a metallurgist or a chemist, but over the years, as a scientist, have given periodic thought to the question of, "Why dye?"

Without supportive, concrete evidence, I believe that the tannic acid in the dyes somehow permeates and seals the pores of the steel to some extent in advance of the layer of wax, maximizing the integrity of the rust preventative coating formed to inhibit the invasion of iron oxide (rust.)

My traditional habit may be old and crusty-rusty, but all of my traps, including those over 50 years old, are still functional almost as if new, without rust or pitting in the steel.

That is what little I know, and why I continue to dye and wax all of my traps to this very day.

Tradition or necessity? For me - both.

A most interesting, provocative question from another man with an unquiet mind.

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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Jonathan] #1044438
12/12/08 02:11 PM
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If they chew on most of my water traps they have to do it underwater at the end of the drowning slide.

I do periodicly dye and wax my water traps but not at the freguency I do land trap.


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Cletis Richards] #1044451
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I dye my new traps after they are lightly coated with rust. The ones that are already dyed don't seem to rust that much more....

I wax them after I dye them(legholds only) to speed them up in their operation(I think this helps). Coni's are fine without any wax!




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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: SDB777] #1044475
12/12/08 02:36 PM
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Jonathan, I agree with what you said as well. I'm not much of a water trapper but I always dye and wax my traps every year. I just dye the few conis that I have. If for no other reason I like to know that my investment in traps is in some way protected.


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: hunterjmj] #1044673
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I like waxed traps for weasel, helps keep the weasel clean. I like dyed and waxed traps for canines, cause I use various anti freeze. Keeps them from rusting till shined up by an animal.

Just dying would be fine in a very dry climate, in fact the federal wolfers just dye their traps for summer work. keeps the rust at bay a little. You can smell fresh rust as it is happening, so can the canines. Rust probably wouldn't matter if it werent out of place.

Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Dale Torma] #1044707
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Boil and then wax all my canine traps. Do not dye anymore. Like someone else said they're buried it's waste of time and money to me. I never could get that dye to take very well anyways.Always flaked and looked crappy. I wax only for Coyote and fox. The wax keeps trap odor down, protects the metal from moisture damage/corrosion, and makes em faster..

Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Ridgerunner] #1044835
12/12/08 05:58 PM
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Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity?

I think if you die,you won't be waxing

Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: ] #1044865
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I think the dyeing is a tradition,but I do it ritualistically every year anyway,it's where I do my final inspections of my traps to make sure they are all in good condition and ready for the line, and toss aside any that need some work,I don't think the dye is an absolute but it does help me in the garage to mark ready to go traps,need work traps,and already been used traps(dirty from previous catches). I do wax all my traps for corrosion protection,and to help them not to freeze down,also to fire smoothly and quickly. Maybe just do it all cause thats how I was taught?


Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: ] #1044878
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I would have to say a little tradition, a little for the care of the traps (prolong life), and maybe just personal preference, but I would say there are definitely locations and applications where it is not at all a necessity. Some animals (uneducated as they may be) up here don't care if the trap is undyed/waxed AND unburied.

I've caught animals each season I've been up here with new shinies. And heck, I just recently read on a thread that the Marten Jedi, Takotna, never takes his traps out of the woods season to season.

All depends...


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: AKtrapper26] #1044943
12/12/08 07:01 PM
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I don't do anything to my traps or snares, and have caught LOTS of stuff. That being said, I've also seen where wolves, fox, and others have come up to a set and completly avoided it.

Mostly tradition, but as I wise trapper once told me: You'll catch 9 out of 10 fox with doing nothing. But it will be that one that DRIVES YOU NUTS while trying to get it.


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Jonathan] #1044947
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Originally Posted By: Jonathan
Buck, As a traditionalist, learning from my mentor 55 years ago, I continue to dye traps with black walnut hulls/sumac berries and wax them with a blend of paraffin and beeswax - both land and water traps - including my Conibears. I have never used the synthetic dips.

I am not a metallurgist or a chemist, but over the years, as a scientist, have given periodic thought to the question of, "Why dye?"

Without supportive, concrete evidence, I believe that the tannic acid in the dyes somehow permeates and seals the pores of the steel to some extent in advance of the layer of wax, maximizing the integrity of the rust preventative coating formed to inhibit the invasion of iron oxide (rust.)

My traditional habit may be old and crusty-rusty, but all of my traps, including those over 50 years old, are still functional almost as if new, without rust or pitting in the steel.

That is what little I know, and why I continue to dye and wax all of my traps to this very day.

Tradition or necessity? For me - both.

A most interesting, provocative question from another man with an unquiet mind.

Jonathan


Jonathan, I just love reading your posts! Good diction and syntax, and with some validity to boot!


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Alaskan] #1045069
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as far as waxing goes the reason has already been said, why do I dye them?, because thats what my dad has always done, I have good memories of the day every year before trapping season when he would do it, and i would watch, so he still does his and I still do mine, hopefully in a fews years my girls will have some of those memories to keep, so I guess its tradition, without the die the whole process just woulnd't be complete.

on a second note, when I pull my traps after the first run at my line, I redo them dye and all, as I do not have enough to run my line two or three times without using the same ones over


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: Chasin Reds] #1045162
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how much wax does it take for 2 dozen traps?


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: glenrosebeaver08] #1045633
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???? A little help????


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Re: Dying and waxing....tradition, or necessity? [Re: glenrosebeaver08] #1045643
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Alaskan, Thank you for your kind words.

I ain't much, but I learned how to spell, finally, in 7th grade. Syntax is a pretty big word. Is that related to grammar, and that other one I heard about once - lexicon?

Jonathan


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