The great double longspring thread!
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You hear so much about coilsprings today that I think some people wouldn't think of using/shun DLS's for coon,mink,fox,yotes, and cats. I would like this thread to help trappers learn to use these great tools on their line. Lets get talking bout sizes,brands,uses,modifications etc !
What can I say? It's a way of life.
2011-2012 Catch Totals: Fox:2 Coyote: Raccoon:2 Muskrat: 6 Possum:3 Skunk:3 Squirrel: Many
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I think most people prefer to use them either in water sets or exposed sets for cats so they don't need to work much at bedding them. That said they can be used at just about any set a coilspring can be used at, you just need to dig a bigger trap bed. As far as current production longsprings I think sleepy creeks are one of the better brands, with their 4.5 longspring in a class of its own when it comes to current production(but still affordable) longsprings.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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For the $$, a #3 Victor or B&L with a PIT Pan System installed is still a far cheaper option than the Sleepy Creek.
As Seth said though, I only own them for my cat line (exposed sets). I have no use for longspring traps otherwise. Coils are just easier.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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[quote=stealthbear]when i make a bed for these longspring i just claw out a couple of trenches for the springs with a claw hammer. the dirt ya claw up is there to pack over them and it really does not take any more time to bed a coil then a long
I agree, plus the 2 springs help in stablizing the trap.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Ive always thought the LS bedded much easier than the CS.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Why is it a lot of cat trappers prefer LS over coil springs? Because cats are a 'High Value Target' and Long Spring Traps are the Best. DLS traps don't need 4 coils or base plates,as they work fine the way they have been made for two hundred plus years. As previously stated,they bed nicer,and they last forever if taken care of. Charlie
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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No doubt a great trap for sure..but when your running a serious line, time Is money and most don't wanna take that extra time bedding a trap when you could just use a coil spring....just my two cents.
Great water traps though..they have there spot on everyone's line. It does'nt take anymore time to bed a Double Long Spring than a coil spring trap. In most cases its faster. Cause they bed easer.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Of course I'm the self proclaimed longspring man i I like longsprings of all sizes. I use steel screen pan covers on victor 3-N's for coyote. I put PIT #1 pans on the num 3's and PIT #7 on the num 4s. I install crimp on center locators and swivels on both 3 and 4s. Sometimes i do a miles trigger on the ones i do not install pit pans on I base plate and laminate many of them in my shop when i feel like it, a few every year. Ive tryed the preformed lamination kits with round stock and the JC connors cold rolled flat stock and the flat is much easier for me to weld onto a trap jaw. some of my #3 victor longsprings had regular jaws and I replaced them with sleepy creek OS jaws to be legal on land here in Oregon. I like twist link and machine chain with swivels at the trap mid and end on 18 to 36 inches of chain. My number 4 1/2 sleepy creeks are have the jaws laminated and slip on pans made from electric box covers for exposed pan sets. I modified them with heavy long chains for mountain lion. when and if I get a lion on my property killing sheep i can set these traps for it. I also purchased a #5 sleepy creek double longspring for cougar and like it just as it came except I had to cut the teeth off and smooth the jaws to be legal in Oregon. when i make a bed for these longspring i just claw out a couple of trenches for the springs with a claw hammer. the dirt ya claw up is there to pack over them and it really does not take any more time to bed a coil then a long IMG_1365 by jayirvin, on Flickr Me 3-another longspring man here.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Why are DLS a lot more money then a coilspring? MB550=$16 #3 DLS=$20 ???
What can I say? It's a way of life.
2011-2012 Catch Totals: Fox:2 Coyote: Raccoon:2 Muskrat: 6 Possum:3 Skunk:3 Squirrel: Many
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Why are DLS a lot more money then a coilspring? MB550=$16 #3 DLS=$20 ??? Probably because the springs on longsprings cost more to produce and are harder to do right. You figure a lot of guys replace the springs on their coilsprings right away and most are not going to be that upset if the springs weaken and need replacing again in 3-4 years or so. On the other hand if a number of the springs on their new longsprings need replacing in 3-4 years most are not going to be very happy with that. Longsprings need to last better. Also not as many longsprings are made anymore which doubtless helps drive up production costs.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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It does'nt take anymore time to bed a Double Long Spring than a coil spring trap. In most cases its faster. Cause they bed easer.
Newt has a really good method of bedding dbl longs
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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It does'nt take anymore time to bed a Double Long Spring than a coil spring trap. In most cases its faster. Cause they bed easer.
Newt has a really good method of bedding dbl longs Could you or Newt share this method?
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Sounds like you need to add a extra washer on the pan bolt. PIT PANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Newt has a really good method of bedding dbl longs [/quote]
Could you or Newt share this method?[/quote]
I could show you. But I cant explain it
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Stealthbear has it right- also close the eye on the dog as much as you can and still have it move freely - Then put two strands of tie wire threw the pan eye like this - These mods will eliminate most of the pan wobble and add pan tension. The groves for the miles trigger are not super deep - the more angle you put on the groves the less pan tension you will have - Takes a little practise to get it right but it does work.. All of my 3 and 4 longs are set up this way..
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I could show you. But I cant explain it You could try.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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OR...........................................order the PIT pans from your puter chair and install them when they show up. I can weld and I like to tinker as much as anyone. I have home built a ton of my trapline eqipment but hear this... The PIT system is the absolute best thing to happen to older DLS traps. Bar NONE. I am into these traps $9.80 each with everything you see in the pics. Yes....I got a fantastic deal on the trap itself at $5 each, but you can get them pretty regular for $7-$8 which would put you at $10.50 after the PIT. All that other stuff is fine if it works for you, but IMO, the below is the only way to go.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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OR.........................what ever floats your boat
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I've been looking at the sleep creek DLS #3, #4, and #4 1/2, i want to mod them up with the whole nine yards, Like expanded pans, and lamination, i been looking at the #4 since its a little bigger than #3 and lot cheaper than the 4 1/2, the number 3 has a 6 inch jaw spread and the 4 has a 6 1/2 and the 4 1/2 has a 7 1/2, i'm only going to buy a couple and mod them up and try them on flat sets, and if i like them I'll take out a loan from the bank. LOL, if anyone could give advice i would appreciate it. PM me if you like
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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anyone know what PIT or sterling pan system will fit on a sleepy creek #2 and #3?
JBR
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I have amassed a sizeable quantity of the darn things. After using the #3 and #4 Blake and Lambs last season on yotes and cats I found them to bed very easily especially in dry washes and using drags on ten foot of chain. When they fire off and take hold of the critter they dont lose their grip. Rock solid lock up and holding power to boot.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Yeah, they are rivets. They hold the springs in there really well and they are strong. I have had little problems with them so far. you just have to have the trap set evenly, teh dog is right where its suppose to be, cause when you mor the springs inwards, it may set the trap off. some filing and bending would fix that.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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anybody got any ides on how to put pan tension on an old #2 triumph dls
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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and are #11 good all around traps. i am buying five of them.and i hear they will hold big old coons
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trapping season is the shortest season ever and the time in between seasons is an eternity
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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anybody got any ides on how to put pan tension on an old #2 triumph dls
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Iam a true user and lover of the DLS trap always have been & always will be ive got more of them than the DCS iam not saying off bout the DCS i just like the DLS traps i have both kinds but i prefer DLS myself ive never had no toruble with them at all
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I am thinking about getting some #2 long springs for my pockets on coon I am having problems bedding my pockets in are sandy silty soil that are in the creeks around here. Does any one use them? For pocketing coon? all info and recommended brands would be appreciated! God Bless, Dustin
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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We have alot of sand here in upper Michigan and bedding a LS is definitly faster than a coilspring.I use the 3-n victor after using about every make and model of coilspring and am not going back.I could see where they would be a pain if working in heavy clay areas ,we do have some of that here but thank god not a lot.I caught my first coyote up here 30+ years ago in a no.4 newhouse,which at that time had the reputation of being among the best coyote steel on the market.Then the fur boom exploded and LS's were considered outdated and you were'nt considered a trapper unless you jumped on the band wagon and used the latest coilsprings with all the fancy jewelry.After doing it for years I went back to just a simple long spring and love them.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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- the wider the trap jaw surface the less chance of foot damage.
- the stronger jaw reduces jaw flexing and prevents the jaw from popping out of the frame.
- the base plate strengthens the frame and allows for a chain hookup near or in the center of the base.
- allows for the release of non targets unharmed
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I have more No 2 DLS than coilsprings I love to use em when its get bitterly cold I ve got some old Vics that are as strong as the day they we made got lucky they had just been hanging in a old barn for years never used or barely used . I have some of those aux. springs to strengthen up a few that are a tad bit weak .Got to love the DLS
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Someone else may have pointed this out in a previous reply, but, if you live in an area with freeze/thaw conditions coil spring levers will freeze down pretty easy but the springs on a long spring will not freeze down. The bottom side of the bottom of the spring may freeze to the ground but the upper part of the spring will always spring upward. A coil spring lever can stay frozen down. Of course for the long spring to work the dog and pan can't be frozen up.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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That is a good one blunder, but I think the 4 1/2 is not too much trap so never tried it.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Victor #4 I made dogless with a huge pan for cats... #2 Dogless with a nice MN coon... No damage or chewing...no lams either #2 Vic Working on having complete crossframe/dogless set ups available in the #2 size by Summer, for those that can weld or drill makes a sweet set up! Other sizes to follow. Give me some feedback on what you'd like to see available...
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I am waiting on them #2 DLS set ups. I'm not picky about about having the full cross frame. What I really want is the arm I can put pan on and nuts on the cross frame. A #4 DLS dogless set up for beaver in the spring and and coyotes and cats in the fall. A Duke 1.5& #2 coil conversation would be convert my water line over.
I look forward to seeing what models you work on. Your design looks simple, adjustable and stout. I could not ask for more. I spent a lot of time working on dogless set ups for DLS if I had access to yours I would have used them from the get go.
I would not have expected anything less from such a skilled mater craftsman.
The pup Joel Money
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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That is a SICK #4 dogless Bridger. I recently ordered a duke #5 DLS, a sleepy 4 1/2 DLS and a Bridger #5 to compare frame strength because im not happy about the sleepy #4 DLS that have bent where the jaws are held in place. In my opinion the Duke #5 with a paws-I-trip added already seems to be the way to go...Until jason comes out with some dogless #4 & #5 bridgers. Targeting cat/coyote, but I've had no problems with raccoons chewing on the big longspring as long as its offset. I think if they were $249.99 a dozen for #4 dogless DLS I'd buy em.
As far as fixing the #4's that the frame is bending, I'm thinking of welding some angle on the outside of the frame that will carry from the bottom of the frame, through the 90 turn and through the bottom spring eye once installed back on the trap. Just frustrating that sleepy creek would put out a product that's ALMOST well made. Glad I bought just one to try out.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Watts, my SC's are baseplated and the jaws bubble welded. I know what you mean about the bending where the frame starts up 90 degrees to hold the jaws in place. I bought these traps already modified like that so its not an issue at all. Either way if I buy more new I will have to try what you are talking about or add base plates and either bend the ends of the jaws up into a 'U' shape or bubble weld them.
Even tho the SC's have this small issue I still like them as good as any other DLS- the pan stop looked like a pain when I got them but after I learned to use it (read tune the trap right) I learned to love them.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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They will be sold as a complete set up, it is simple, adjustable for tension, and heavy duty no doubt.
Thanks for the kind words JM... Jason, I am first in line, correct? Have 300+ #2's just waiting to be converted to dogless. Also would love to convert my #4 dls. With those two traps I wouldn't need any others to catch every animal on my traplines.
Enjoy Mother Nature's Glory, everyday!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Are double long springs better than coilsprings??? For both land and water?
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I think that overall that would be a matter of opinion.
Ian
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03/20/13 07:37 PM
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Are double long springs better than coilsprings??? For both land and water? I have seen holds on critters with double longs that I have never seen with coils. I feel they grab better, don't silt in as easy as coils, and bed easier in certain situations. Coils are more compact and lighter for the most part. I started with all coils and stared playing with longs and double long and kinda like double longs. The thing that has kept all my coyote traps being coils was there were no dogless double longs. Well I'm hoping Jason will have that fixed in short order. It's all personal preference
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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03/20/13 08:33 PM
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They will be sold as a complete set up, it is simple, adjustable for tension, and heavy duty no doubt.
Thanks for the kind words JM... Jason, I am first in line, correct? Have 300+ #2's just waiting to be converted to dogless. Also would love to convert my #4 dls. With those two traps I wouldn't need any others to catch every animal on my traplines. Kelly, You let me have that little book of secrets you've been carrying around with ya to conventions for umpteen years buddy, oh for just a couple of days, and you sir...are at the head of the class! Hopefully these add ons will bring a revival to a great under utilized tool! Gonna really have to race around at conventions now Mr.! -Jason
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Alright hey thanks J M i have a some long springs and that is all i use for muskrat foothold wise, but i use coils for land sets but i might just switch over because i just like setting the long and double long springs better anyways so yea hey thanks again!
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What is the best cheap but good quality brand for double long springs, and long springs?
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Yea i like the sleepy creeks personally, and do you think that the sleepy creek #3 is better than the Bridger #4 for beaver?
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Jason, I am first in line, correct? Have 300+ #2's just waiting to be converted to dogless. Also would love to convert my #4 dls. With those two traps I wouldn't need any others to catch every animal on my traplines. Kelly, You let me have that little book of secrets you've been carrying around with ya to conventions for umpteen years buddy, oh for just a couple of days, and you sir...are at the head of the class! Hopefully these add ons will bring a revival to a great under utilized tool! Gonna really have to race around at conventions now Mr.! -Jason What little book of secrets you talking about?
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04/02/13 06:37 PM
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I can hardly set my 4.5 sleepy creeks by hand.if anyone has some setting tips Id appreciate it. I probably could set across my knee if the spring eye didnt get stuck on the post every time.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Sleepy Creek #4 setters use them for big long and body grips.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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When I get a beaver in one wet hands, wet trap, wet leg, and tired at the end of the day I am glad I have my setters. I hope it never happens to you but if you ever get caught in one and it is anchored. I hope you will have a pair of setters with you. I'll be watching to see if anyone has a better idea.
At the NTA convention Tom Florin had a pretty neat setter.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: 1775]
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So , disadvantages include being more difficult to set and are slower than coils. Disagree completely about double longsprings being harder to set and slower than coils.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I Would agree that the jaw close speed is a bit slower on a long than a coil but , with proper pan tension and the animal being committed there should be no difference in catch. With the good comes the bad Sleepy Creek has made it's springs shorter than most #5's but lockup strength the same. This weight saving compactness also makes them harder to set. A mighty fine trap but there are draw backs with the advantages. Try setting a CDR with out setters.
The pup Joel Money
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I will set #2 longs all day over 1 1/2 coils. And my hands still won't be tired.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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So , disadvantages include being more difficult to set and are slower than coils. Disagree completely about double longsprings being harder to set and slower than coils. Try setting the 4.5 sc.
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One doesn't need to use such a big trap to catch fur so I'll give you that one but only that one-rest of the longsprings from #4's on down in size are easy for anyone to set-no different than a coil-actually easier because one has more spring to use-get a hold off.
Enjoy Mother Nature's Glory, everyday!
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04/04/13 10:48 AM
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One doesn't need to use such a big trap to catch fur so I'll give you that one but only that one-rest of the longsprings from #4's on down in size are easy for anyone to set-no different than a coil-actually easier because one has more spring to use-get a hold off. Exactly! Most people can set #5's over their leg due to the mechanical advantage of the extra length of the spring. No the 7" DLS are not needed for beaver but they are nice. Every snapped #4 Sleepy Creek I set last year was holding a beaver. If that trend continues I'll switch my primary beaver trap. I think the guy's in Alaska like the 4.5's for wolves also.
The pup Joel Money
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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This morning at 0500hrs I met up with a guy and bought a dozen #3 Offset DLS Vics that are actually stock they acquired when they bought Blake & Lamb. Some are stamped US on the jaw. I don't know if I have ever set a long spring that was stronger (I have not done a SC 4.5). Bought a dozen. Makes John a happy boy!!!!!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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04/05/13 03:29 PM
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Wish the mylting trap setter was still available. Those 4.5 sc would be cake then.
the just shall live by faith
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I just got a package from F&T That contained some #4 Bridger DLS. A very nice tarp. Well rounded jaw face for the cat K-9 trapper. I'll be squaring them some for beaver (I gotta try). I will change the chain hookup to a to a 3N style and the pan set up will go this summer. The springs are a little more stout than I was expecting (a good thing). I think this trap will suit my needs as a base trap for modifications better than the Sleepy Creek. I now see why some stood up in defense of this tarp and I am glad they did. I view this trap much differently now than before I had one in my hands.
The pup Joel Money
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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04/28/13 10:08 PM
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How would the # 2 compare to the #1 1/2 for muskrat?
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04/28/13 10:54 PM
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It is same jaw spread but 1 more spring.
I can smell the fall in the air!!!
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04/28/13 10:57 PM
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#2 DLS takes more space than I have a lot of the time when setting for rats. I could get 1.5 longs in over 50% of the spots I like to set. I run 1.5 Duke coils for rats they were what I started with and have served me will. As far as comparing the two for rats the will both do the job bedding space and holding power are going to be the only differences. Holding power factor can be somewhat offset by changing where the chain is hooked up to away from the spring. I tried some 1.5 longs for rats and did not like how the rats seemed more likely to wrap in vegetation and the trap not moving and the rat still able to move = a few lost rats. I am not currently using any longs when targeting rats. They would most likely work very well on a float set up. I just have not found a way to effectively use floats in the fall.
The pup Joel Money
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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04/30/13 08:25 PM
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That is awesome Redeagle!!! Thanks for sharing that i never knew that!
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05/24/13 02:55 PM
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http://youtu.be/H4ItwksUp3kSetting a 4 1/2 by hand/foot I am not a strong man so I think others could set the trap this way Sorry about the sound it truly is not hard
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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07/21/13 11:43 PM
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I have a couple of #11s that, when I rotate the springs forward to allow the loose jaw to fall, the springs want to rotate back no matter what I do.
Anyone have a cure for this? It's o key on about 2 or 3 traps and I want it fixed. I have had this problem on dukes. I found the original indent in the spring that catches the jaw to hold it in place was either not deep enough or wide enough. Sometimes both. I just took a small file and filed the notch appropriately. They stay in place just fine now. It doesn't take a lot of filing for this to work. I added a photo of where to file the groove.
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I have a couple of #11s that, when I rotate the springs forward to allow the loose jaw to fall, the springs want to rotate back no matter what I do.
Anyone have a cure for this? It's o key on about 2 or 3 traps and I want it fixed. I have had this problem on dukes. I found the original indent in the spring that catches the jaw to hold it in place was either not deep enough or wide enough. Sometimes both. I just took a small file and filed the notch appropriately. They stay in place just fine now. It doesn't take a lot of filing for this to work. That's why I love this site. The few I'm having the trouble with are actually dukes. A file on that notch...there shall be. Thanks for the help from Michigan, good sir.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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07/22/13 02:39 PM
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I had some victors #1's that had a spring added and they set fine until I waxed them and then a couple wanted to slip. I just scraped off the wax in that area and soaked in some water they after that spot rusted they held were they should.
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That's why I love this site. The few I'm having the trouble with are actually dukes. A file on that notch...there shall be. Thanks for the help from Michigan, good sir. [/quote]
You are welcome. I use the little (needle files) and they work good for these small areas.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 03:21 PM
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I find the DLS easier to set then the coil springs for me. I run all victor #3 offsets, I have a question will a 11 DLS hold a coyote if he gets in it? I was thinking about using them for foxes but, coyotes dont know to stay out of them.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 04:43 PM
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I find the DLS easier to set then the coil springs for me. I run all victor #3 offsets, I have a question will a 11 DLS hold a coyote if he gets in it? I was thinking about using them for foxes but, coyotes dont know to stay out of them. I seem to recall an article a few years ago about a fella who was ADC trapping "suburban" coyotes using #11s. Those little buggers lock up tight, so they would probably hold with proper staking and such, but he better hit the pan dead center!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 08:19 PM
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I have issues with Sleepy creek long springs. The first time i set one of my number threes i dissembled it. Anybody else have this issue. I fixed the problem just wondering of anyone else had the same issue.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 08:23 PM
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I have issues with Sleepy creek long springs. The first time i set one of my number threes i dissembled it. Anybody else have this issue. I fixed the problem just wondering of anyone else had the same issue. What do you mean ( I dissembled it)?
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
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KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 08:27 PM
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Love my Victor and Blake and Lamb longsprings whether single or double. They are my all time favorite traps-still own many hundreds of them.
Enjoy Mother Nature's Glory, everyday!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 08:34 PM
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They catch fur just not what you expect for the price.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 10:34 PM
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chris,what traps are them? All my big longs have PIT pans and are baseplated.
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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11/19/13 10:42 PM
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Thaks chris. Is the jaw spread 6 1/2 outside or inside ? I run many 4s also,are you liking the Sleepys?
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 10:50 PM
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Honestly couldn't say on the spread. Just got them done other day and our season doesn't open until the 22. To be honest they didn't feel as heavy made as I thought they would though. Have thought about adding large pans on them too
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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11/19/13 11:05 PM
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Thanks chris. When you have some time could you check the jaw spread and the size of the pans also ? Love all my longs and trying to find the trap I am looking for, as we can only go up to 7" spread until Dec. 1 on our wolves. Trying to get as close to the 7" mark as I can. If we could run Sleepy 4 1/2s early on ,I would be in heaven!
Simplify your methods to the point of perfection.
Become fast,efficient & effective.
The real "SECRET" to successful trapping.
KEEP IT SIMPLE!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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03/21/14 09:18 AM
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Love longsprings!! Wyoming big iron with 330 springs Someone needs to make these again, they work well for the 4.5 sleepy
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Hey guys, I've been gathering some dls for next season to try on canines. One question I have...does anybody have any issues with throwing the canines foot out of the trap. I thought this might be an issue because of the way dls need to have both springs folded back in the direction of the dog side jaw to make the jaws lye flat. I use #11 dls for coon and never had these issues, but I thought it might be a problem with fox or yotes.
Has anyone ever set the trap so that the springs are facing the hole in a dirt hole set to avert this issue?
Jim
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Snares&All...excellent, excellent thread by the way!!!!!!!!!!
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Has anyone ever set the trap so that the springs are facing the hole in a dirt hole set to avert this issue? Yes on single and double dirt holes. Put a jaw guard near the loose jaw.
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I figure I will jump on in here. I just bought a couple of stock victor #3s. I was planning on adding a paws-i-trip system, but I am not sure on how difficultl it is to do. Also, I was going to go ahead and baseplate them, but I dont have access to a welder. Does anyone have any ideas/comments. These will be used for coyotes/fox.
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All my vic #3's i drilled a hole next to the cross frame and put a j-hook through and then attached my chain. I have yet to have a bent frame. No need to baseplate. Been using them this way for 18 yrs.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Ok thanks guys I appreciate it
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Can you take a single longspring trap and add a spring to it to make it a double longspring? I don't see why not or am I missing something.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Can you take a single longspring trap and add a spring to it to make it a double longspring? I don't see why not or am I missing something. Yes
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Can you take a single longspring trap and add a spring to it to make it a double longspring? I don't see why not or am I missing something. Yes thanks!
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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When you set a dls for coyotes which way does the coyote come across the trap? (ex. do you bed it with dirt hole toward center of springs or does it step across the loose jaw?)
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I put the dog toward the hole and use a jaw guard the size of a baseball at the loose jaw. Forces the yote to come in at a 45 deg, steps more between the jaws. Tom mirandas yote book is good for describing this
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Has anyone used the lightning helper springs to bring back life in their longsprings? You can get these for .95 for #1,1.5, 2 longsprings. I was also wondering how difficult they are to install.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Has anyone used the lightning helper springs to bring back life in their longsprings? You can get these for .95 for #1,1.5, 2 longsprings. I was also wondering how difficult they are to install. I have used them, they definitely help and not hard to install.
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Has anyone used the lightning helper springs to bring back life in their longsprings? You can get these for .95 for #1,1.5, 2 longsprings. I was also wondering how difficult they are to install. I have used them, they definitely help and not hard to install. Tack weld or drill and pop ribbit them into place. If you drill slow and be prepared to eat up bits.
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I have used them, they definitely help and not hard to install. [/quote] Tack weld or drill and pop ribbit them into place. If you drill slow and be prepared to eat up bits. [/quote]
The drilling part is what I was interested in. I would drill and rivet as I don't weld. I would get some good carbide drill bits and metal cutting oil for the job.
Jim
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Got to sign off as it is getting late here in the east, but have another question and I will check in tomorrow.
Will the extra weight of adding helper springs slow down the trap too much on #11 and #2 dls traps?
Jim
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Got to sign off as it is getting late here in the east, but have another question and I will check in tomorrow.
Will the extra weight of adding helper springs slow down the trap too much on #11 and #2 dls traps? Not that i have noticed
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Got to sign off as it is getting late here in the east, but have another question and I will check in tomorrow.
Will the extra weight of adding helper springs slow down the trap too much on #11 and #2 dls traps? Not that i have noticed Thanks, that sounds great. Just don't want to be missing furbearers if I add them to traps with weaker springs.
Jim
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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It's a pretty simple reason the big dbls are not used much from a saftey aspect if I stick my hand in my bridger 3 coil I can get out by myself .... If I get my had caught in a Vic 4 dbls it is very difficult to escape by yourself
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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It's a pretty simple reason the big dbls are not used much from a saftey aspect if I stick my hand in my bridger 3 coil I can get out by myself .... If I get my had caught in a Vic 4 dbls it is very difficult to escape by yourself Sound like u have never used a setter and "c" clips. Get caught by a MB750 or CDR when waist deep in water and trap is anchored. How is that safe or easy to get out of. No matter what your using you gotta use your head. I am slowly trying to convert my whole line to DLS. My rat traps will most likely remain coils.
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I am slowly trying to convert my whole line to DLS. [/quote]
At this seasons end I was at 95% coil springs, but am currently at 50% DLS.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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This is funny, I went back to Long Springs for 4-5 years and now I'm going back to coils Just curious, why the switch?
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I like the newly designed and marketed Bridger #3 modified Dogless design coil springs from MTP. Most of the new innovative and exciting designs in traps are coming out in the coil spring models. However PIT has some new Step Down Pans for the long springs that are innovative and exciting. And of course the SVS #4 dogless innovative and exciting
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I'm looking to get some fox traps for this fall and need some help. We have a lot of rain in the fall along with freezing temps at night, and I will also be using these traps in the snow. I can't decide between getting duke 1.75's or sleepy creek #2 longsprings. What would you guys reccomend? I could get more dukes for the number but I think the sleepy creeks would stay working longer.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I'm looking to get some fox traps for this fall and need some help. We have a lot of rain in the fall along with freezing temps at night, and I will also be using these traps in the snow. I can't decide between getting duke 1.75's or sleepy creek #2 longsprings. What would you guys reccomend? I could get more dukes for the number but I think the sleepy creeks would stay working longer.
Thanks, Alex #2 longs for me.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Helper springs on longs? I use 'em, not to add to holding power, the mechanics of longs do that by themselves. I added them just to make them a bit faster. I too am a fan of #2 longs, one of my favorite predator traps. I also use #11s for coons. Here are a few pics. Sorry for pic of mangy coyote at bottom, does show my booster springs on the #2s. I took a REALLY cheap mod on mine and just used a few wraps of wire at the bend to help hold the booster in place, that's all. Just want to keep it in place, dye and treat it with rest of trap and it lasts for years, seriously. I haven't replaced any yet and that's about 30 years of use, seriously! Fun thread, thanks for all the cool posts and pics, everyone. Oh and yes, you can take a singe long and make it a double long, but the shape of the jaws is key. Older style jaws that were symmetrical, work great. some though are not symmetrical, a little more squared off on one side and not on the other side, those do not work. Jim Here are couple of singles modified into doubles. First is a 1.5 single with symmetrical jaws, and a second spring added...to make this a #2 long. I also center swivel all my traps, and don't forget to do some filing on the pan & dog assembly, as well as squeeze the eye of the dog a bit to take the travel/play out of it. Here is the #2 I made out of an old 1.5 long with symmetrical jaws... Here is a #11 made out of a #1, again the #1 had symmetrical jaws... shortening the travel of the pan and making the dog fit the pan notch better with a little filing work... Couple of badgers in modified #2 longs... first one you can barely see it but that's wire wraps at the bend of the springs, holding the boosters in place.... Some cat pics, all in #2 longs Coyotes in #2 longs... coons...well they are prevalent here and any predator set I make will take a coon also, and since coon are bread and butter of our fur market here I won't be upset to find them in predator sets...but means I have to lean toward smaller traps that will work for anything I can catch here too. can see wire wraps at bends of springs here too, holding the boosters... and of course, #2s on fox...a great fox trap... Again, sorry for the ugly coyote pic, but shows the hold of #2 long well adjusted, and the booster springs in place, held in place at bends by several wraps of wire... Jim
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Jim, nice pics and good info. I agree the symmetrical jaws work better for adding extra spring, but the non symmetrical will work just a little more awkward to set.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I have been working on using a little modern design with the great lockup of long springs. Victor #4 I made dogless with a huge pan for cats... #2 Dogless with a nice MN coon... No damage or chewing...no lams either #2 Vic Thanks Jason They work well Working on having complete crossframe/dogless set ups available in the #2 size by Summer, for those that can weld or drill makes a sweet set up! Other sizes to follow. Give me some feedback on what you'd like to see available...
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Here is a little trick for dls . Take off the pan , break it off the shank, now take a lever from an old broken 11/2 coil run a bolt through the holes tack weld the bolt on the hump over the pin that held the original pan on each side ,on the inside .but before welding on flatten out the part that holds the coilspring and the opening for jaws ,cut off the end of lever,weld on ,or pop rivet pan on in position of choice. weld bolt in position ,put nut on end ,tighten to adjust pan tension. this works on any long spring with a Humped cross .You can and I do cut a double bladed slot in the end between eyes for visual ingagement of dog,works great. been doin this for years on #2s &3s .
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Here is a little trick for dls . Take off the pan , break it off the shank, now take a lever from an old broken 11/2 coil run a bolt through the holes tack weld the bolt on the hump over the pin that held the original pan on each side ,on the inside .but before welding on flatten out the part that holds the coilspring and the opening for jaws ,cut off the end of lever,weld on ,or pop rivet pan on in position of choice. weld bolt in position ,put nut on end ,tighten to adjust pan tension. this works on any long spring with a Humped cross .You can and I do cut a double bladed slot in the end between eyes for visual ingagement of dog,works great. been doin this for years on #2s &3s . Very cool-- Bookmarked!
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Here is a little trick for dls . Take off the pan , break it off the shank, now take a lever from an old broken 11/2 coil run a bolt through the holes tack weld the bolt on the hump over the pin that held the original pan on each side ,on the inside .but before welding on flatten out the part that holds the coilspring and the opening for jaws ,cut off the end of lever,weld on ,or pop rivet pan on in position of choice. weld bolt in position ,put nut on end ,tighten to adjust pan tension. this works on any long spring with a Humped cross .You can and I do cut a double bladed slot in the end between eyes for visual ingagement of dog,works great. been doin this for years on #2s &3s . the discription is a little hard for me to wrap my head around. wish you had a picture of how it ends up.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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Just picture a PIT pan OR an original Pinch pan but with a bolt &nut,the nut will tighten up against the side of the cross or hump to allow for tension. two legged pan with adjustment,& no wobble . 11/2 levers will fit 2 3 4 dls 0r any trap with a 3/4 inch wide cross,try it it works great.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I thought it was easier to do this Start with this move the post back and shorten the dog looks like such Repeated Already in Australia with pete152
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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That slop is taken out by closing the dog eye and welding the loop closed then they are about bullet proof. I thought you and others would like to see how it can be done without having to buy other parts.
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The dls is a great trap and there is something kinda special about useing one to catch something... My problem with them is more a saftey concern I can (and have...) gotten out of a #5 bridger coil one handed with my feet. I have a hard time settin an old #4 Vic dls with two hands let alone one and I can't set it with my whole body weight ... FYI im not a small guy I'm a 205lb football player
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Setting dbls is no more dangerous than coil spring being caught by one , a time or 20, I have found that pan tension is your freind, 4.5 lbs on every thingno more toe catchs and getting caught is almost gone some time for get ck. Tension and I run wire screen on everything for pan cover if don't put more tension you will be sorry. But grew up setting and useing newhouse traps sleepy ck. Trap 4.5 jaw posts are taken from there this why guys have problem setting it over there knee.sharp edges gone lamanation onjaws and you will see less damage than on coil spring in that size.i like both dbls&coils they both have place on my line.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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06/22/14 10:33 AM
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If you carry a pair of Sleepy Creek setters an some u clips getting yourself free is no all that hard even in deep water.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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What about the little #1 ls? Did this little clamp loose it's popularity over the years? Have heard little mentioned of on this thread. Any lovers left out there?
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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I am working to get all my foothold traps down to longsprings. My rat traps willl continue to be coils but that is the only critter I see my self targeting wiith coilsprings.
I am not sure why most peple do not use them more but that is what makes the world go round.
Yes Les someday I will try a CDR. I just do not see myself swiching to them due to my beaver staking methods. I will give them a fair shake some time in the future though. I might like them if I go back to rods.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
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JM,I use CDRs on cable slides too... I just had to post this for ya again...thats a Victo #4 on a cable slide I got from Rally Hess,and the weight is railroad iron.I use these dblsprns when I run out of big traps,and sometimes for the fun of it,but never while trying to catch a wisened up problem beaver.If I happened to have even bigger longsprings I would not hesitate to use them.But they are not compact,and dont fit in to my style of trapping as well as coils which can be set anyplace a lonspring can be set,the converse is not always true. In reguards to your getting your first CDR...I'me praying for you.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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