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PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. #3804020
05/17/13 04:29 PM
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Robb Russell Offline OP
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Pest Elimination Services Transparency & Terminology or PESTT Act

If this becomes law how will this law personally affect your business?

What percentage of your service area includes communities smaller then a population smaller then a population of 50,000?

What percentage of your business includes rural operations? large rodents including beaver, muskrat and nutria.

How will paragraphs 1,2,3 and 4 affect your business.

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For the purposes of activities authorized under the Act of December 22, 1987
(7 U.S.C. 426c), the term "urban rodent control" shall mean actions to
directly control mice, rats, voles, squirrels, chipmunks, gophers, woodchucks,
and groundhogs in a city or town with a population greater than 50,000
inhabitants and the urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to such a city or
town, except actions involving: (1) federal agencies; (2) government entities
engaged in a cooperative service agreement with APHIS to provide direct
control of rodents as of October 1, 2013; (3) a state in which direct control of
the rodent species has been expressly authorized by state law, rulemaking, or
a local jurisdiction's ordinance promulgated by public notice and an
opportunity for public comment or as otherwise promulgated as required and
authorized by the respective state or local law; and (4) railways and airport
air sides areas. APHIS will refer all requests for operational assistance with
"urban rodent control" from private entities such as home and business
owners and associations to the private sector.




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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804052
05/17/13 04:46 PM
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Might be a good time to start supporting an organization that can lobby?

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804061
05/17/13 04:54 PM
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Wish we had one. wink

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: DAVE SALYS-CWCP] #3804067
05/17/13 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: DAVE SALYS-CWCP
Wish we had one. wink


Shouldnt the NWCOA and related groups be able to hire a lobbyist?

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804085
05/17/13 05:22 PM
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If it wouldn't be for the National Pest Management Association, I doubt that NWCOA could hire a secretary.

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804267
05/17/13 07:48 PM
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Pass the law....I will just get into a different line of work. Good luck, to y'all.

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804652
05/17/13 11:45 PM
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Baby steps.
What about the NTA helping NWCOa?


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804693
05/18/13 12:15 AM
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My reading comprehention may be low but it appears beaver, nutria, muskrats have been dropped fromthe class of rodents leaving unlimited competition to private businesses for those three. It looks like the small family run businesses got who dood by big government. We need an association that represents these types of businesses which most wildlife businesses are. I'm thinking NWCOA and NPMA lean towards buggery and wildlife businesses big enough to stand up to the government.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804699
05/18/13 12:22 AM
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Am I to conclude that Mr. Paw was referring to insects rather than the ususl type of buggery?

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3804832
05/18/13 07:35 AM
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Multiple organizations will continue to split the industry. Your voice will be too small to have an impact. The wisest trApperman will join nwcoa and vote in whomever they like.

Otherwise, expect to be working elsewhere someday.

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805170
05/18/13 01:03 PM
05/18/13 01:03 PM
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Robb Russell Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Robb Russell
Pest Elimination Services Transparency & Terminology or PESTT Act

If this becomes law how will this law personally affect your business?

What percentage of your service area includes communities smaller then a population smaller then a population of 50,000?

What percentage of your business includes rural operations? large rodents including beaver, muskrat and nutria.

How will paragraphs 1,2,3 and 4 affect your business.

Quote:
For the purposes of activities authorized under the Act of December 22, 1987
(7 U.S.C. 426c), the term "urban rodent control" shall mean actions to
directly control mice, rats, voles, squirrels, chipmunks, gophers, woodchucks,
and groundhogs in a city or town with a population greater than 50,000
inhabitants and the urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to such a city or
town, except actions involving: (1) federal agencies; (2) government entities
engaged in a cooperative service agreement with APHIS to provide direct
control of rodents as of October 1, 2013; (3) a state in which direct control of
the rodent species has been expressly authorized by state law, rulemaking, or
a local jurisdiction's ordinance promulgated by public notice and an
opportunity for public comment or as otherwise promulgated as required and
authorized by the respective state or local law; and (4) railways and airport
air sides areas. APHIS will refer all requests for operational assistance with
"urban rodent control" from private entities such as home and business
owners and associations to the private sector.




For starters I think this is about the poorest representation we could of ever got from our any Trade organization. Pretty sad !!

Getting back to business here. I really need a consensus how this proposed law is gonna affect you . Please answer my questions.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805368
05/18/13 04:48 PM
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My reading comprehension might be off, but doesn't it say in the bigger cities rodent control will be from private companies?
If you live in a small town that is bad. Either way government should stay out of it.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805480
05/18/13 06:22 PM
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Reading the exceptions (3)....

Sounds like MI would be exempt, because it is regulated.....but lawless WI is toast.

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805598
05/18/13 08:20 PM
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No sweat, Dave. We'll just all pack up and move in with Krier.

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805604
05/18/13 08:26 PM
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Ok, can you bring a brewery with you? smile

Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Baxter] #3805662
05/18/13 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Baxter
My reading comprehension might be off, but doesn't it say in the bigger cities rodent control will be from private companies?
If you live in a small town that is bad. Either way government should stay out of it.


Whats the population of La Jolla?


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805789
05/18/13 10:30 PM
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I do not see a way this will hurt us other than it may not be ideal. But I am interested in specifics from others.
It may take some wind out of our position on the political scale. But let see how it works out. Keep in mind this is not regulatory and USDA could still back out of the deal. We need to continue to work for regulations that will end all competition with the private sector.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3805791
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Interesting that none of the USDAers are not commenting like they usually do.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Wildlife2] #3806054
05/19/13 09:13 AM
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Cody the PESTT Act did nothing more then make the PRIVATE WCO's plight even harder. Govt is inefficient, often incompetent and when it comes to WCO work in need of better supervision and criticism.

Thousands of WCO's whose livelihood centers around large rodents such as Beaver, Woodchuck, Porcupine and nutria have just had their business's gutted open. Private trappers don't even realize the days of the private beaver trapper are soon gonna become another great american tradition gone. The PESTT ACT also did nothing for your own company that specializes in Airport Wildlife .

This is gonna become law and you can thank NPMA and NWCOA for selling the private trapper out.


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Re: PESTT Act - Will This Help or Hurt You. [Re: Robb Russell] #3806097
05/19/13 09:57 AM
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Robb, you've been the clearest in discussing what this all means and there's plenty of guys who appreciate that I'm sure.

Would you, or anyone else, like to give a common man explanation of the following....

What exactly did WS lose?
What exactly did WS gain?

What exactly did the private WCO lose?
What exactly did the private WCO gain?

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