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trapping as a business?? #3983422
09/04/13 09:16 PM
09/04/13 09:16 PM
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champ198 Offline OP
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was told this would be better in this forum so thought I would get your alls opinions also

for those of you that do it can you all give some tips on it.
was wondering if you all write off stuff and what type of things do you write off and how much or times can you take a loss and so on.
looking at maybe doing this next year to help out some was hoping you might be able to help give some pointers.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3983715
09/04/13 10:56 PM
09/04/13 10:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Manitoba, Canada
Ed the hunter Offline
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Manitoba, Canada
I don't trap for a business, but I am looking into registering a business after talking to my accountant this past tax season. My wife has a photography business that we run out of our house and the list of things that are deductible is too long to list here. What my accountant advised is that if you are getting income from your fur checks, it will be taxable income and therefore it only makes sense to have a business. Then things like traps, lure, snowomobile or atv now become business related expenses.

What you really need to do is discuss it with an accountant, because that is who will know your tax laws and who ill best know what you can and can't do legally and whether or not it is the best choice for you in your situation.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3983824
09/05/13 12:05 AM
09/05/13 12:05 AM
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North Branch MN
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Lundy Offline
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North Branch MN
Trapping is a Hobby. You can write off your expenses, up to your income, but you can't take a loss. I would show a $1.00 profit so I didn't have to pay taxes on the income. Profit is profit. $1.00 is profit. Any other way will get you in trouble with the IRS.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3983937
09/05/13 06:09 AM
09/05/13 06:09 AM
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NE, NC
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Big Bear Wildlif Offline
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NE, NC
True, trapping is a Hoppy. ADC work is a business because you need a license, insurance, and advertise. People pay you not the sale of furs.


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NE- NC
Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3984076
09/05/13 08:38 AM
09/05/13 08:38 AM
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Central Ohio
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LT GREY  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2007
Central Ohio
Every ADC / Nuisance trapper here is a business.
We're all trapping as a business.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3984100
09/05/13 08:57 AM
09/05/13 08:57 AM
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DaveK
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I suspect the hobby guys are thinking this is a hobby because the IRS let's you book a loss for a limited amount of time. Then, they require that you classify it as a hobby. Consult a tax pro.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3984146
09/05/13 09:40 AM
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The act of trapping is not a business or a hobby, it is an service or activity performed by a business or individual.

A business is an entity that is registered with a governmental entity for the purpose of offering products and/or services to the general public or specific individuals/groups. So you can have a business that offers and performs trapping but you cannot have a business that is a hobby.

How the business is registered is what matters in terms of taxes. Sole proprietors must show a profit within a specific amount of time. Failure to do so means that the IRS can remove the business classification and reclassify the revenue as personal versus business income thus increasing your personal taxable amount. To show a profit (income) means there must be money left over after deducting all business expenses (all the money the company pays out to offer and perform services) from revenue (all the money the company takes in from products and services). And don't forget that you still have to pay self employment tax on the revenue so what you see isn't what you get to keep.

Anyone considering starting a business should talk to an accountant to make sure it is worth their time, money, and effort first. Specific to fur tapping, you need to make sure that your fur check not only covers all equipment and licenses but also all your gas, vehicles, and travel expenses. So if you're spending $1,000 in supplies, $1,000 in travel to attend conventions, $3,000 in vehicle expenses/payments and $1,000 in gas after deductions yearly unless your net fur check exceeds $6,000 to cover all of these expenses it probably isn't worth creating a business. However, if you're only spending $2,500 yearly in expenses and your fur check is $6,000 you may want to start a business to take advantage of taxable deductions for vehicles and other high dollar equipment.


Eric Arnold
Publishing Editor W.C.T. Magazine
Editor The Fur Taker Magazine
Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3988394
09/07/13 07:07 PM
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St. Louis area
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Dave Schmidt Offline
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Learn 5th grade grammar before you go into business!


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Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3988600
09/07/13 08:52 PM
09/07/13 08:52 PM
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DaveK
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DaveK
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At minimum...

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3988858
09/07/13 11:27 PM
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Paul Winkelmann Offline
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Writing off legitimate deductions to increase your net profits is a challenge and it's interesting.

Writing off a bunch of questionable deductions to show a loss, not so much.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3988896
09/07/13 11:50 PM
09/07/13 11:50 PM
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Chocowinity, NC
Phil Nichols Offline
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Chocowinity, NC
Some business entities are "pass through" in that profit or loss pass through to the owner or stockholders personal tax return.

Re: trapping as a business?? [Re: champ198] #3988978
09/08/13 12:44 AM
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Paul Winkelmann Offline
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Phil, we use one of those "pass through" tax systems. A large chunk of our money passes through our hands and goes directly to Obama's boys so they can get us involved in fighting in countries that we have no business in.

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