Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 10:27 AM
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what are you using them for? If it is mostly coyotes I would look into the NO B.S. Jr.
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 02:02 PM
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Anyone know if there are any plans to offer them without the offset. tbn were they the dogless?
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 02:11 PM
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I have had a dozen #3's and I have no complaints at all. I did add an extra swivel but other than that they were ready to go.
Gary Bartlow
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 02:19 PM
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Yes dogless,that is the only trap I will use and have for 3 seasons now.Coon,cats,skunks,coyotes,badger it doesn't matter.Go set one,push down on the pan where it hooks the jaw and watch it go snap. Then go push down on the dog on your dog on traps and report back.No dead spot on the pan on the dogless bridgers.Once the pan is set,you rarely have to dink with it again unless to tighten it up after a catch but I don't really worry much about that either when I am busy.I want the skunks and coon so a little loose pan doesn't bother me anyway.Keep in mind,I am on a 24 hour check.
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 02:41 PM
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I'd just thought there would be more issue with pull outs. Good to hear.
"My biggest worry is that my wife (when I'm dead) will sell my traps for what I said I paid for them."
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 02:56 PM
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No dead spot is not always good. Yes I use both dogless and dog on traps. I prefer the dogless design of the Victor/ Montgomery’s
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: VH60]
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01/04/18 04:56 PM
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None . Shorten the pan notch a little and level the pan . Great trap . X2 The offset gap is bigger than most and I've lost a few coon here and there but for cat and coyote they work great. A guy could take a grinder and knock down the high side wouldn't take much at all. Still my goto trap
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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01/04/18 06:51 PM
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Bridger dogless coil springs might not be for everyone's conditions but down here they are turning out to be just about perfect. This is my second winter using them. Only had 1 dozen last year. Have 9 dozen now.
Offset is a bit wide but you can take a hand grinder and take off a small amount at the 4 corners and reduce the gap without affecting lockup.
I file the pan latch to shorten the nighlatch. And adjust pan level.
I put my custom chains on them simply because I have them.
I've always been a "no offset traps" trapper, but these being square jawed, the offset may allow the trap to lock up better on a coyote or bcat foot.
Ive had a few new...out of the box, that had spring too weak. 3 out of 60...so far.
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/18/23 08:29 PM
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Well...after several years (7 or 8 years) of using B2 dogless, almost exclusively, for southern coyotes and bcats, I'm still satisfied. Ive bought 11 dozen new in box. Took about 3 seasons to completely convert over to this trap. I'm down to 10 dozen due to damage from landowners and loggers. I've had more than a dozen damaged, but have ordered parts and repaired several over the years .
But, there were/are some minor negatives:
1) there were about 10% of the traps (new out of the box) that had noticeably weak springs. I added the Bridger 4-coil springs b4 I used these. 2) I've lost about 5 or 6 coons out of 100. Likely front foot toe catches. Also, the #2 sized square jawed trap allows plenty of room for chewing and the slightly too wide offset jaw gap enables pull outs. This isn't a front foot coon trap, but it performs fine when a backfoot catch is made. 3) this trap (with no laminated jaws) is a little rough on foxes feet, especially grey fox. I have lost a couple of greys, that were likely toe caught, over the years. Again, the wider offset jaw gap contributes to this. 4) over time, several traps have been found to have weakening springs. Not sure if this is related to my initial issue of a few with weak springs when new. I've added 4-coil springs to more than 48 traps out of 132 purchased so far. 5) pan tension loosens with catches...but tightens easily.
The positives:
1) No dogs to get bent! 2) Consistent/crisp firing trap. 3) Easy to adjust pan level and tension (takes about 3 min per trap.) 4) Chains and swivels are sufficient. 5) Very easy and fast to bed solid. 6) Good lockup. 7) Sets very level with minimal tuning. 8) Well built/good steel.
The only mods I've done to mine are, a) the extra springs, b) slightly shortening the pan notch and squaring it up, c) slightly grinding the lower jaw faces to close offset gap some, d) put my custom chains on them...cause I had them from traps I sold.
TAKEAWAY: B2 dogless are pretty good coyote and bcat traps. Jaw lams would make them better grey fox traps. As red fox traps they are good due to their bigger feet. As coon traps = too big of a trap with too wide of offset gap (find a better sized trap for coons.)
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/18/23 08:35 PM
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… listen to swamp … I run several dozen and they do need 4 coil from experience… got 3 years stock 2 coil then had a few pullouts on coyote and cat .. 2 right as I was walking up
… I ordered enough helpers to get all them 4 coiled wether they need it or not
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/18/23 11:57 PM
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My Bridger dogless do a fine job but I already had quite a few of the little Montana Coyote Specials and I love them. They are easily the easiest traps I've ever used and like LDW, they snap I have fur. It's just that simple.
�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.� Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: warrior]
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06/19/23 05:38 AM
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While I haven't used them IMO any dogless system that has nuts and bolts to adjust pan tension or height is missing the point. Catch up to modern times. The best aspect of dogless is NO foot throw out, but.... ...the reason I like this adjustable dogless pan system is simple: to be able to adjust pan tension and level. Can't do that with the Victor/Montgomery type dogless system. Pan tension is what it it when the trap is set with a floppy pan.
Last edited by Swamp Wolf; 06/19/23 08:24 AM.
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/19/23 06:24 AM
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Bridger #2 and #3 dogless is just about all I run the last few years for coyote. I moved away from my old #2 longs mostly because they don’t make those any more and I use them in my more mixed species areas. Targeting just coyote, I absolutely love my #2 Bridger dogless. The threes grab a little high but I get few misses in them. I use those more in open corn or bean fields. For mowed pasture and other areas I set, I grab the #2s, Mine are all modified MN Trapline models with laminated jaws. They came four coiled but I took the extra springs off and run them just two coiled. I have not found a flaw in the #2 Bridger dogless yet. Coyotes, cats, fox, badger, coon, it’s a great trap. I ask for them specifically now for Christmas or Father’s Day to build up my supply. I wish I had four more dozen of them. Jim ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/06/full-34529-180291-img_4579.jpeg) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/06/full-34529-180292-img_4578.jpeg) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/06/full-34529-180293-img_4577.jpeg) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/06/full-34529-180294-img_4576.jpeg) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2023/06/full-34529-180295-img_4581.jpeg)
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/19/23 09:17 AM
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Don't own any but notice everyone mentioning weak springs. I order music wire springs and put on any bridger trap i get! Even if springs are ok first year by year two they are week plus they have that goofy L shaped spring, have had coyotes be able to get a tooth under that and flip it off the lever. I finally just quit fooling with it and replace springs with new music wire springs soon as i get the traps out of the box.
Gap being too big, pullouts, etc. Im assuming ya'll are using standard jaws, not laminated jaws?
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Jtrapper]
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06/19/23 10:09 AM
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Don't own any but notice everyone mentioning weak springs. I order music wire springs and put on any bridger trap i get! Even if springs are ok first year by year two they are week plus they have that goofy L shaped spring, have had coyotes be able to get a tooth under that and flip it off the lever. I finally just quit fooling with it and replace springs with new music wire springs soon as i get the traps out of the box.
Gap being too big, pullouts, etc. Im assuming ya'll are using standard jaws, not laminated jaws? Yes...none of mine are laminated. I quit all those welding-related mods when my live market days ended.
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Re: Cons of Bridger #2 dogless?
[Re: Koss2005]
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06/19/23 10:12 AM
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Yes...none of mine are laminated. I quit all those welding-related mods when my live market days ended
I know that's what got us southern folks on that kick BUT they do increase holding power! Im still a shock spring advocate was well, ANYTHING that makes it a tad tougher for that joker to get out of the trap im all for it. Do all that work only to have something fail and they escape was something I never could deal with.
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