Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: snowy]
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I see all these 85--84 year break even points. I don't understand. My break even point is 77 years 11 months. That's a big difference. Monthly Social Security benefits Retirement age Break-even age $2,102 62 vs. 66 Between 77 and 78 $2,806 62 vs. 70 Between 80 and 81 $3,721 66 vs. 70 Between 82 and 83 Now this is just a example and these ages go up for break even age from the amount you receive, expenses, returns etc. (Edit: That should read 25% reduction at age 62.) The break even between 62 vs 66 is at 77 66 vs 70 is at 82 62 vs 70 is at 80
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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We have to wait until we're 67 which adds another 3 years to the break even part. That's a very good chart showing it tho.
Here you go, adjusted to age 67 Bear this in mind, if you are retiring at age 67 your early retirement benefits are reduceD by 30%, not 25% The 8% annual increase between 67-70 stays the same. By the previous chart. 62 vs 66 evens at 77 66 vs 70 evens at 81 By this chart 62 vs 67 evens at 78 67 vs 70 evens at 82 That's not three years difference. It's about 1 year which is logical in that you would be retiring 1 year later than a person at 66.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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Social Security is headed for problems, it's no wonder liberals want to make most gun ownership a felony, then you can't get S.S. Yeah buddy! That's why the liberals want your guns. ( FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!!) But there is one problem, (from the SSI website) Individuals released from incarceration may be eligible for Social Security retirement, survivors, or disability benefits if you have worked or paid into Social Security enough years or Supplemental Security Income benefits if you are 65 or older, or are blind, or have a disability and have little or no income and resources.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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Some of these calculations run out to three or four decimal points. They don't cipher that until push comes to shove. That's why they always tell you it's an approximation. Generally you can count on the approximation being close., Hey Hal, you seem to know your SS Stuff. Explain the extra benefit that you get if you are born in October.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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I heard some experts talk on this subject a few different time. When is the best to take SS. I can tell you they all said it really is a wash when you start. They all said that the Gov. isn't going to give you any more then what you have put in. It is no different then a pension plan get the lump sump or that a monthly option pay out. One always sounds/looks better then the other option but bottom line they aren't going to pay you any more then what you have into the program.
It really come down to each person has different philosophy and needs when to take SS. My plan is to take it as soon as I can that option is good for me in some ways but it may hurt me in other ways going forward.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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I heard some experts talk on this subject a few different time. When is the best to take SS. I can tell you they all said it really is a wash when you start. They all said that the Gov. isn't going to give you any more then what you have put in. It is no different then a pension plan get the lump sump or that a monthly option pay out. One always sounds/looks better then the other option but bottom line they aren't going to pay you any more then what you have into the program.
It really come down to each person has different philosophy and needs when to take SS. My plan is to take it as soon as I can that option is good for me in some ways but it may hurt me in other ways going forward. Yep..Believe me I'm no expert..LOL Social Security was signed like in the year 1935..OK..So a guy turns 65 two years after 1935..He has worked let's say 40 years..He has only contributed 2 years in the program..Now that same guy let's say is still alive in the year 1960..I would think that man still get's his monthly check whatever that amount is..and he would have went way over his contribution to the program..
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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I heard some experts talk on this subject a few different time. When is the best to take SS. I can tell you they all said it really is a wash when you start. They all said that the Gov. isn't going to give you any more then what you have put in. It is no different then a pension plan get the lump sump or that a monthly option pay out. One always sounds/looks better then the other option but bottom line they aren't going to pay you any more then what you have into the program.
It really come down to each person has different philosophy and needs when to take SS. My plan is to take it as soon as I can that option is good for me in some ways but it may hurt me in other ways going forward. Yep..Believe me I'm no expert..LOL Social Security was signed like in the year 1935..OK..So a guy turns 65 two years after 1935..He has worked let's say 40 years..He has only contributed 2 years in the program..Now that same guy let's say is still alive in the year 1960..I would think that man still get's his monthly check whatever that amount is..and he would have went way over his contribution to the program.. First guys in on a Ponzi scheme make money. The later guys get burned.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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You all make a good point. I will retire nov at 62. I thought i would go one more year, but for only another 53.00 not for me! I'm with you! were also on a timeline of life expectancy,issue that alway crop up when you hit 60+. most never I believe hit the even point when going out a 66.5 and beyond. My thoughts is do it if you can ,and even if you have to pick up a odd job or nuisance trap,flea markets etc. heck i see people selling at flea markets making from 200 -500 per Sat and sunday, cold hard cash. Ill take that over my high stress job any day.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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Hal or anybody?
What about this? You benefit is based on the highest 35 years of earnings. For most people if you work later in life your salary is higher than in the early years. Anybody put that on paper? (I'm working on mine) One case for not cutting your hours back late in life. If you have that choice.
Slip We didn't do the math, so no we didn't calculate that. My wife stopped working at 60 and we/she lived off of our savings for two years until she could draw. We didn't ask what that hurt or helped us. All my relatives lived into their 80's, but to be honest, at that age they didn't or couldn't do what we want to do now. Do it when you have the want, like the fella said above...There's no gaurentees on tomorrow!
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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I heard some experts talk on this subject a few different time. When is the best to take SS. I can tell you they all said it really is a wash when you start. They all said that the Gov. isn't going to give you any more then what you have put in. It is no different then a pension plan get the lump sump or that a monthly option pay out. One always sounds/looks better then the other option but bottom line they aren't going to pay you any more then what you have into the program.
It really come down to each person has different philosophy and needs when to take SS. My plan is to take it as soon as I can that option is good for me in some ways but it may hurt me in other ways going forward. I beg to differ: (in round numbers) I put about $150,000 into SS & started collecting 5.5 years ago. My monthly benefit is $2515. I have received about $166,000 from SS.
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Re: Social Security Benefits
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Yep..Just like the other day. I had been behind a driver for maybe a couple miles. We are doing 55 or so. He decides to put on his right turn signal and slows down on the paved shoulder. I know this guy had to have seen me behind him it was daylight blue skies. Well I start to go around him in my lane and then what happens. Here comes the guy back out into the lane. I start to move to my left as he his pushing me over the "No Passing" double yellow lines. What do I see coming a Ford truck pulling a fifth wheel..Only thing I can do is mash on the gas "All of it"..The guy in the Ford is now driving on his right shoulder coming down the hill at me..I'm blinking my lights at the Ford and he's blinking back..Well I make it..I didn't even look back..I just put miles between me and the "Pusher"..Live for today is correct in my book..LOL
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Re: Social Security Benefits
[Re: Sullivan K]
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I see all these 85--84 year break even points. I don't understand. My break even point is 77 years 11 months. That's a big difference. I understand now. I was looking at only early retirement and was not taking into consideration delayed retirement.
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