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If I have a coyote that grades heavy right with the westerns and I do have a few, what will the certified source be? By grade or state??

Boco do you really believe that the Russians aren't cheating by saying their stuff is "certified & traceable"...? There IS a difference between free nations and autocratic ones where the gov or in Russia's case the gov and its sanctioned mafia on how things play out. Have you ever heard of "Potemkin villages"...? Maybe you should take a course in Russian history. They may have some saps from the EU follow them around but that doesn't mean its reality compared to free trappers in the US and Canada obeying regs. If your high-fashion fur buyers in Saks, the Bay etc. believe the Russians are actually really doing everything "humanely", then I guess they can live with the fantasies in their heads.

There was a well known American showman named P.T. Barnum judged the overall human population by a quote that said, "There's a sucker born every minute..."

Happy Independence Day, USA!!!

If you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you. They singed a piece of paper to get their fur OK'ed. Humane trapping standards, come on, they can't even be humane to their own people

...x2 I agree....boco claims it was not done to appease the antis up north though.

True. There is all kinds of stuff labeled "non-GMO" that has never been close to being genetically modified. Putting that label on makes stupid people feel better, I guess.
CG wants the same effect for their products, but at no cost or risk to them, of course.

From what I was told by a CG rep the fur is the last step. They have checked farms where they get the down. They have checked the material manufactures to make sure that there is no slave or child labor, they have checked the zipper manufacture. CG is driving the coyote market from what I am told. I don't think CG wants to rewrite every states trapping regs. To start with they can't, any more than a trapping association can tell me who can or can't ride on my line for what ever reason. They can both suggest, and request, but that's it. I feel this is going to happen with or without you.
Look at how much fur LL Bean has in its catalog now. I know a buyer that lost the sale of 1000's of coyotes a year over that "tell them to pound sand" deal.

Your the first Canadian making sense of this matter. Why anyone, even Boco who is infallible, would invite scrutiny of their trapping is hard to understand.

CG know exactly what and how we do what we do, there is no good to become of this. And it may not be us in the U.S. that pay the price, contrary to what some believe.

I'd shake that fur buyers hand for standing his ground. Not many people have the nads to do that anymore.

My thoughts as well, those lots will be separated into a totally different catalog of traceable fur, there will be the same quality of untraceable fur just in another catalog. You will loose competition on the auction floor and will see a significant price drop

It sounds as though Idaho may already be on board with this.

.....x2...if all buyers should take that stand....rather than hide behind a smoke screen and just tell them what they want to hear.

MB,100% is not required for a device to pass the standard,because everyone knows shite happens,that is not an issue.Read it.(95 % is well within the standard)

I say boycott the auction houses that push this, and boycott trapping coyotes altogether. If you trap coyotes, and sell them to CG, then you have no spine. Do it for your fellow trapper, and the future of trapping as a whole.



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Do you think CG would be the only one aloud to bid on the traceable fur, because it was what they wanted? I think most of you have no idea what is wanted. How can you say what you will do with out knowing what they want. How many of you have spoke to anyone from CG? Would you sign paper work saying you fur was taken following your states humane trapping regs?

CG wants what the consumer wants they can careless about common sense or what the trappers want and have to go through...all this for a consumer fashion trend that will probably change within a year or to? most of this crap comes from EU nations and Europe that consume very little fur compared to other countries that can careless about C and T..

I think most of us are basing our thoughts on what Canada Goose told the NTA president they wanted. Unless you're suggesting his report on the issue is inaccurate?

When we sign our trapping license, aren't we already signing a paper agreeing to harvest the animals by our state trapping regulations?

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Do you think CG would be the only one aloud to bid on the traceable fur, because it was what they wanted? I think most of you have no idea what is wanted. How can you say what you will do with out knowing what they want. How many of you have spoke to anyone from CG? Would you sign paper work saying you fur was taken following your states humane trapping regs? [/quote]


Mark, yes there could maybe more companies wanting traceability, but CG is leading the charge, and there is reasoning behind that move as well. It would be nice for CG if they could pull this off, they would be know as an innovator within the industry, and a better perception with the publics eye. Mark, this will leave us hobbled, and regulated in the long run, and when the trend is over they will be gone. As to the question you posted about state humane regulations, well most states already have trapper education, and yes every time I purchase a license, then I already agree to terms, and regulations set forth within my state. The real question is if I have already done all that, then why does CG need more ?? You see Mark it will never be enough, and after certification there will be something new come along to limit even more numbers of trappers, or their goods. This is not the first time this issues has come up Mark, just after 87 the same BS showed its ugly head.


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MJM, I think what is wanted is coyotes. It is obvious buy the prices that people are paying for them. For CG to infer that they will pay a higher price for "certified traceable" fur is disingenuous, only if they have some one to bid against them will this happen. As far as signing a paper as to the humane harvest, where does roadkill come in. I'm not trying to be a smart A, the best coyote a sold last year I picked up off the road. How do I certify that?