I'll assume you read it, so i deleted it. A word that shouldn't be used on here. IMO.

There are some trappers in our area that have been pushing the auctions for a long time to develop the traceability tags and get them in the hands of trappers.These trappers have felt that some of their pelts had been mixed up before they were barcoded with the old system,and have been wanting to seal/barcode/tag their own fur.

I hear the auctions will have a tamper proof tag/seal that will go thru the entire line from trapper,auction ,tanning process,and manufacture by 2020.This is one of the necessary steps in the traceability process that they have been working on.

If Al could only find a Dresser who would dress hides for the same price he paid in 1985, he could pay me 1985 prices for beaver. Try telling a tanner you will only pay him 1985 tanning/shearing and dyeing prices and see how many pelts they will do for you. The cost of my beaver even if trippled the current rate of $15 would be cheap.

No,i didn't see it hippie.
PM if you wish.

Here's another issue i brought up on the other thread about this, that got blown-off.

Canada Goose went public, and that dilutes the morals/standards the company was built on.

Here's an example of the founder, the guy who built the company being pushed out of his own company........

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/papa-johns-fou...topstories.html

coincidence that after 50 years, once they go public they are now wanting these changes?????

I'll get back to ya after bit Boco, i have some questions about the mother land i want to talk to ya about also. Busy.

what impact do you all feel this would have on the recruitment of new trappers??

How long do you think it will be before China knocks off your tags ?? How long before someone is selling, or trading tags on the sly ?? How well did all that special label, or tag thing help the ranchers in regards to knock off's, guess we already know the answer with ranch mink prices in the toilet. A tag is your answer to traceability, that is laughable, and an insult to trappers to boot. I guess trappers will have to have a decoder ring, and a secret handshake, and the tags in order to sell fur. You guys are just creating more difficultly for trappers to market their goods, and it's a ridiculous idea. Out of all the things plaquing trapping this is your groups great idea, if so please quit thinking, because your killing us.


RTT

Dirt, I don't think you understand. There are no guarantee's in life for producers of any commodity, oil, cotton, gold, ask anyone affiliated with agriculture that works hard and is only sometimes rewarded for their efforts. Why should someone provide you with a livable wage for producing something you want to work to produce when the market for that product is really a much lower dollar amount? That was life in the former Soviet Union, they pretty much proved that that concept didn't survive. I would guess that in 2013 you were not saying this is to much money for my fur, I need to give some of those poor furriers some cash back, they're paying to much! That really was the case in to many circumstances, it didn't work well in the end.

Just another hurdle of the already many in place. Low fur prices combined with added requirements, many will say the reward is not worth the effort, and seek out other activities more open, and accessible. Who would want to jump in the middle of a mess like this ?? Hard not to blame them for taking up some other type of outdoor activity. The anti trapping groups love to see this type of BS between trappers, and would love to see a more limited pool of trappers marketing fur. The anti trapping groups could then pin point their efforts, and bring the full weight of their financial war chest to bear upon trappers, with focus and precision. Trapping should be for everyone, and marketing fur is a part of trapping, thus I feel everyone should be able to market fur equally in a free market system. No special tags for that special person with the brother in-law that was able to get tags, that lived in that special area, or state, see where this is going, or what it could become ?? it would do a great injustice to the recruitment, and the overall health of trapping.


RTT

Al there is only one guarantee, I won't trap beaver if it is impossible to make money. What other business model expects the first guy in the process to always lose money?

Tamperproof,like cites.
If they are cut off then the pelts will no longer be C+T,thus not saleable in the outlets that demand such.
RTT you have a very childish understanding of C+T.

Boco I put Cites tags on pelts. They are not going to follow the pelts or parts of the pelts to the finished product and show on the fur side.

What happens when you tamper with them in transit?That was the gist of the comment.

The only reason I’m trapping today, and the only possibility for my grandchildren to have that same opportunity long after I’m gone, is due to the fact that trapping regulations here in the United States are determined at the state and local levels. It’s a democratic process that gives me and others like me a genuine voice in the outcome.

As soon as you hand over that control to a non-elected, corporate, foreign body whose only interests are maintaining their bottom line and/or appeasing hostile interests groups, you’ve given up your voice and opportunity for self-determination.

Remember that all this certification and traceability nonsense began in the European Union as a means to appease European animal rights groups. And on top of that, the Grey Goose “traceability program” came about because the Humane Society of the United States took legal action against Grey Goose and host of other retailers by exploiting a provision in the 1951 Fur Products Labeling Act.

Certification and traceability has been an artifact of the animal rights movement from day one, and it's being fast-tracked by Grey Goose and NAFA as a way of bypassing state and local trapping regulations.

I agree good post

Again,C+T has absolutely nothing to do with appeasing Antis whatsoever.
On the contrary it is a powerful weapon against the antis propaganda.

Which business model do we follow now. I have some fur Id like to sell. Not sure what it is worth. Its worth more than that, you just insulted me, why I ought to roll around in the gravel with you. OK, I will give you 4 bucks for it. You got a deal you thief.

"The only reason I’m trapping today, and the only possibility for my grandchildren to have that same opportunity long after I’m gone, is due to the fact that trapping regulations here in the United States are determined at the state and local levels. It’s a democratic process that gives me and others like me a genuine voice in the outcome."

Trapping regulations might be determined at the state and local levers IF the feds decide to let that happen.
The federal government can and has greatly influenced trapping regulations here in Maine. The blasted Lynx deal has very effectively ended any realistic long line trapping for fisher and marten. Sad but true. Due to the federal governments involvement in the nonsense that has gone on, the face of Maine trapping has changed in a way I never expected to see in this life time. Ver sad.

Traceability does not exist today in the US fur market, no matter what laws and BMP's we follow. If my local buyer throws my hides in with the rest of his collection and then ships that to NAFA how do they know ANYTHING about the individual pelts? Saying we have traceability is silly. I sold to a guy in PA not too long ago. Are my hides in accordance with their laws? NO, so can he 'certify'? No. The Buyer didn't ask anything about it. Once my hide goes in his pile it cant be tracked as there is no ID on it. The ONLY traceability that exists is if you ship direct to NAFA or FHA or another entity bar coding each item, as the producer.

I'm undecided on the idea of getting my NAFA hide barcode tags and putting them on myself. Obviously there could someday be counterfeits, but they wouldn't scan when they arrived for grading at NAFA so that may be a moot point. The upside would be I could track each exact pelt and the mystery DG3 could be contested, hopefully. Who bears the cost of these tags? When I was trapping NH almost every hide got tagged and sealed. What a nightmare for the Game Wardens who had to seal them, and buyers who then had piles of hides with sharp tags cutting their hands and other hides.

Would I have to have different barcode tags for Groenwold if I sold through them? FHA? Local buyers all have to issue tags too?

I don't know HOW this gets implements past self certification- and we could do that with the form MonsterToms posted from the Colorado sale.