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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: AntiGov] #6360498
10/29/18 11:59 PM
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For all that hate SS why not talk with your tax practitioner, there are ways to get paid wages and not pay into SS. Just remember you won't get any either, but for those that don't like it there are options. I did prepare taxes for two persons who opted out of SS. Both have had significant financial setbacks so the money they saved not paying SS was not utilized wisely.

Bryce

Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360500
10/30/18 12:02 AM
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Where did I read hate? A fact is not hate.


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Dirt] #6360506
10/30/18 12:17 AM
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Social Security: This is where a tyrannical government forces you to engage in a Ponzi scheme where you really never get your money back because of inflation.
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I took your comments to be that you were against SS and would like to not participate in a forced savings plan and I just related that is entirely possible for you to
do.

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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360510
10/30/18 12:23 AM
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Imagine if it were an opt in program, rather than an opt out program.

Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Dirt] #6360511
10/30/18 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Originally Posted By: James
That puts you on the far right of the political spectrum, imho.

Good luck getting your agenda through Congress. If word gets out that the GOP are planning to cut SS, they can say goodbye to the House and Senate.

So I suspect they'll keep their plans secret until after the election.

Jim


Where did this come from? I'm not the GOP.


Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you.

Jim


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: FlyinFinn] #6360517
10/30/18 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Imagine if it were an opt in program, rather than an opt out program.


It's not an opt out program. Very limited. Google it. I wish it was a "cash out" program for me. You fend for yourself.

"The law is very specific about the requirements for exemption from the Social Security program, and most taxpayers do not qualify. But yes, exemptions do exist for a small number. Certain religious groups, students, U.S. citizens who decide to forfeit their national citizenship, employees of foreign governments and self-employed workers who make less than $400 annually are all examples of taxpayers who are not responsible for paying Social Security taxes. Of course, since they are exempt, they are also ineligible to receive any Social Security benefits."

Seriously, who would opt in? crazy



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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360553
10/30/18 05:23 AM
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SS is being killed faster by giving it to those who have never paid a dime, especially non-citizens. But hey, they can vote!


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6360557
10/30/18 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
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James, I agree with you when it comes to the military and the welfare state supporting the military industrial complex.

The rest not so much.

They are all systems of the same problem.

symtoms


Yes Les, I meant to say symptoms.

Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE

congress should have never been able to steal from it.



Why do you think it was set up?


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360604
10/30/18 07:18 AM
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I agree we do not need to spend as much on the Millitary. The reason we do is because the snowflakes believe only the bad guys die in war so no expense should be spared in guaranteeing so.


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360653
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There was probably folks who thought a strong military was unnecessary just before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360677
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
There was probably folks who thought a strong military was unnecessary just before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.


Probably, but the fact is we could spend half as much on the military as we do and still have the strongest military in the world. Military spending has been little more than a method of wealth transfer for many decades now.

For all those who hate socialism, I have to wonder if you really hate the USA. Our country has had elements of socialism since it's creation. Public education being an example. Can you show us any successful country in the world that isn't partially socialist in nature?

Economic philosophies such as communism, socialism and capitalism are value neutral. It is the men who implement them who add the moral component.

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Originally Posted By: sgs

Economic philosophies such as communism, socialism and capitalism are value neutral. It is the men who implement them who add the moral component.


B.S. communism and socialism have the immorality of force built into them. The three are far from value neutral, before humans ever interact inside their framework.

Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360710
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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
There was probably folks who thought a strong military was unnecessary just before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.


Turns out we only needed a couple bombs, an airplane and a dozen men or so. lol

Also it is worth noting that if that's all we had Pearl Harbor wouldn't have been the loss it was.


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360744
10/30/18 10:13 AM
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High tech military/weapons/surveillance ability cost lots of $ but saves American servicemen's lives.



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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360756
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Jim manipulated you guys off the topic of the Ponzi scheme. blush


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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: James] #6360766
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Originally Posted By: James
SS isn't broken. It supports million of American seniors.

Odds are someone you're related to relies on SS.

Jim


I agree. It maybe a Ponzi Scheme, but there many individuals out there who can't save for any kind of retirement income. So, Ponzi Scheme or not, it saves them from poverty to a point.


There are 724 billionaires in the US and 87,000 IRS agents. They're not going after the rich, they're coming for you.
Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Dirt] #6360768
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Why would other Americans want to destroy the place they live?


Because they are being influenced by the left wing media who have their own agenda on what America should be.


There are 724 billionaires in the US and 87,000 IRS agents. They're not going after the rich, they're coming for you.
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So the media wants to destroy the place they live?

Every day we hear how the vast majority of Americans are saving outside of Social Security for their own individual retirement, yet people can't do it by themselves?

Of course we love wealth transfer. Social Security: Transfer of wealth from the poorest Americans to the richest Americans. Demographics.

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Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Dirt] #6360808
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
So the media wants to destroy the place they live?

Every day we hear how the vast majority of Americans are saving outside of Social Security for their own individual retirement, yet people can't do it by themselves?


Right, but the media doesn't see their agenda as destructive at all.

Interview some people living in poverty or welfare. Many of them weren't savers and spent money faster than they could make it. Some lost it from bad investments. SS may not be the answer, but it's something. I am familiar with some whose only income is SS. I'm not pro-government, but in this case for some, it's a good thing. However, there's no doubt that when in comes to the government and SS funds, the government is guilty of misappropriation big time.


There are 724 billionaires in the US and 87,000 IRS agents. They're not going after the rich, they're coming for you.
Re: "If America is destroyed.... [Re: Gary Benson] #6360814
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I see what you are saying, these people are where they are, because they were irresponsible. Why should the rest of us be forced to lose wealth to enable their poor behavior?


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