Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: yukon254]
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11/19/18 02:41 AM
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Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances. Ok well their ain't nowhere in my state to even shoot deer at 1000 yrds. So it doesn't even pertain to me. And I guess this thread has been answered by u it is not hunting because u said so. Although I agree with most of your OPINIONS. Also their is 1 reason on Gods green earth to make a shot that far....because a person wants to. And I dont care if u have been guiding for 153 years to people who would like, that decision is not up to you! Their are people that think you shooting at 200 yrds is RIDICULOUS.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 06:30 AM
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danny clifton
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I bet killing a deer with an atlatl takes as much practice as learning how to hit a dinner plate at a 1000 yards.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: yukon254]
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11/19/18 07:58 AM
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Got into an argument just the other day with a well know "TV" hunter over long range shooting.....its shooting not hunting, dont confuse the two. He was bragging about a rifle he had just bought that was capable of taking big game out to 800 yards. I've been guiding for over 30-years now and there is no reason on gods green earth why you should ever have to take a shot that far. Yep it can be done, sometimes, by a very few. Sometimes isn't good enough. Once you get out past 500 yards there are just to many things that can go wrong. When things go wrong you can wind up with a wounded animal, and at those distances you are not likely to get a second shot, even if you know its been hit, and its doubtful you would know. I've seen game hit much closer show no sign at all.
I've never had a hunter shoot past 300 and only very rarely that far. The vast majority of shots are under 200, and I guided sheep hunters full time for 5 years. Showing that nonsense on TV doesn't do any of us any good either. Even a non-hunter with an IQ 2-points above plant life can see how wrong things can go at those ridiculous distances. My background Is similar, as are my thoughts on this. I guess the days of “he looks like a good one, let’s see if we can get closer” are gone. Stalk free hunting doesn’t sound fun nor challenging. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 08:22 AM
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So, ask yourself this, (not addressing anyone, specifically, here) should there be a law against making a 500+ yard shot on game? How about 750 yards? How about this, maybe, if you go to training and get an additional permit, you will then be allowed to shoot at game beyond 400 yards. You see where this is going?
"The voice of reason!"
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 09:02 AM
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danny clifton
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If you guys are saying turn off the tv its doing bad things for our outdoor life, i agree
Promoting antler hunting rather than sustainable population control. Heck i bet 90% of the time a game violation is the result of “trophy” questing. That trophy quest is not doing anyone any good
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 09:22 AM
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It's my belief LDH is coming. Forty years ago, Who would've thought everyday Long Distance Bickering would be a daily thing? lmbo
At one time I could hold MOST of a string in a paper plate at 500. One little flinch and it was 6 feet off. Never tried a thousand, would like to. I'd likely need a sheet of plywood as an aim point.
I've worked around deer processing. It's not pretty. In this area you cannot shoot LD. A lot of the damage is not from hunters.
Dang deer are trouble, period.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 10:20 AM
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Boco]
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11/19/18 11:17 AM
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Shooting is only a small part of the hunt,in my opinion.If you know your limitations,your shot after the stalk can be 250 yards maybe a bit more and guarantee a 100% kill,personally I feel I can 100% kill within 150 yds on big game,so that is where I start to guage the animal for the shot. I don't like hunting from a stand,I gave that up years ago.That said stand hunting is quite popular,especially with the outfitting crowd. Have to disagree with you in part. SHOOTING is the biggest part of hunting. Saw a guy shoot over 15 rounds at deer standing hunting from a stand at 60 yards. First 10 was with his gun gave him my gun and he missed next 5 shots. (not at same deer) bordering a massive bedding area. I had just neck shot a doe at 150 before he took it back to his stand. So stalking ,factoring wind , sneaking, all is for not if you miss the shot.........
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 11:29 AM
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Fact is most hunters have no business shooting past 250, let alone 6,7,or 800 yards. Cant tell you how many hunters I've guided say they were good out to 500 or so, then completely miss at 200. Had a guy this year with a brand new $7000 Gunwerks rifle with Huskemaw scope. He had just taken that same companies long range shooting school, and told me he was good out to 500. He couldnt hit paper at 100. It was embarrassing. This fall the outfit I work for got paid for 8 grizzly bears. You draw blood you pay for the bear, and its $8500. We skinned 5 bears, the other 3 were wounded and never found, and not one bear hunter shot over 150-yards. An outfitter friend in Wyoming runs 80 hunters a year, and he says a full 50% of his hunters either miss or wound game. Those are the realities today. It never used to be that way, back when I first started in this business it was a rare to lose an animal.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 11:32 AM
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I disagree J byrd.I have stalked many animals just to take a picture and hone my stalking skills.It is still hunting to me even without shooting.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Boco]
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11/19/18 12:16 PM
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I disagree J byrd.I have stalked many animals just to take a picture and hone my stalking skills.It is still hunting to me even without shooting. Then you where NOT HUNTING you where photoing and or stalking. DNR does NOT define hunting or call it hunting if you are carrying a camera !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: jbyrd63]
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11/19/18 12:30 PM
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Plus geez all this because I killed a deer at 317 yrds off handed LOL..... No, I saw none of this as relating to what you did. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 12:45 PM
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Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: Finster]
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11/19/18 01:08 PM
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I have an acquaintance who won't mention the fact that he's won " a multitude of national long marksmanship competitions against rifle shooter using my handguns ", around me anymore once I brought some salt to the table.
His "handguns" aren't handguns . They're rifles without butt stocks. They're big and heavy with customized rifle glass on them to increase eye relief.
From a technical and craftsmanship perspective , his guns are really something to see . Custom Remington XP-100's in all variants of wildcat and production cartridges. But they don't really fill the handgun niche .
Right amount of money can really increase one's skills.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: LeverAlone]
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11/19/18 01:09 PM
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Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots. Good grief. Truly amazing. Again, we as sportsman are our own worst enemy. First of all, why would you think anyone is trying to impress you? If I want to get in the game of long range shooting it would be because that is how I want to pursue game. I want to make it clear that I am not a long range shooter because I cant afford it. Lots of specialized equipment. But I can see where it would be a enjoyable quest. I have heard way more horror stories from bow hunters and putting one thru, or having an arrow stuck in the animal and then it runs off unrecovered.. As to positive publicity for hunters, you cant be serious. What does that even mean? People who are anti hunting are anti-period. There is no sport out there that the majority of people would claim as unethical than trapping. Ethics is not in the the way that we pursue the animal, it is in the person doing the pursuing. Any aspect of pursuit will have unethical pursuers. We as sportsman should wholeheartily endorse the legal pursuit of game in whichever way we choose to pursue it, to say that one way is better than the other is nonsense.
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Re: Long distance hunting.
[Re: LeverAlone]
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11/19/18 01:22 PM
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Well, I'll share my opinion on this, not directed at anyone in particular.
I think the distance you can stalk and approach an animal is directly proportional to your hunting skills. How many of these guys would be able to stalk to within 20 yards to make a clean shot with a recurve or longbow? That would be much more impressive to me.
Shooting 800 yards with a precision made piece of equipment doesn't impress me all that much, and doesn't take that much skill. If you have the money to experiment with these things, Its just a matter of dialling it in and away you go.
How many of these "shooters" have the skill to determine precise distances at those ranges? (Probably none). But slap up a $1000 laser rangefinder, and it will tell you. Im quite confident anyone without any sort of hunting skills could pull off these shots, as long as they have the time and money to invest in the equipment required to do it. All you have to do after that is head out for a walk and hope you can spot something within view.
I dont care how many clean kills are observed in these videos, there are probably three times as many clean misses and wounded animals that they don't show. A change in wind direction 600 yards out that you cannot see will change your bullet trajectory, possibly for the worse.
I don't think it is great publicity for hunters, as I think most people can extrapolate other outcomes of these attempts at long range shots. Not trying to start an argument here but have you ever shoot 500 yards let alone 800 or 1200?? I'll bet you haven't. It isn't easy and requires not only skill but understanding of ballistics to a degree that you probably have never even thought about. To think that just anyone can buy expensive equipment, shoot for awhile and pull off these shots speaks volumes on the ignorance you possess in this matter. Just a question here, how do you know that there were all of these misses and wounded animals? That goes for everyone on here saying that . Just because you may not have the skill level to be able to do this doesn't mean no one else has it. Maybe they never wounded an animal in their lives. You just don't really know for sure do you? There is no evidence other than your "theory and conjecture" is there? Good grief, I post a video of some amazing shots and the Fudds come out of the woodwork.... Pretty sad the way I see it.
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