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Now I understand why modify #6485898
03/09/19 01:59 PM
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New to trapping. Picked up some 1 3/4 Dukes and read up on modifying. Most of what I read made sense. So I base plated them tacked everything well. Bubble tipped the jaws. Added crunch proofs and new chain. Nite latched them. Leveled the pans which will now have to be re done. Went to add washers in pan support and noticed 2 things that convinced me that this is a necessity.First realized that the brass screw is just long enough to set pan tension as is. When I removed them most(3 dozen) were on the verge of stripping . Pan tension was loosened by me upon receipt not tightened. Two broke. Then i noticed there was no rime or reason to which post had bent to set tension. Some had equally bent some left side bent some right side bent. There is no possible way that there is any consistency coupled with the pinch point at the top. I am glad I did this as I know I got what I paid for but they have been around a long time and I like them. A little work but the price was right for what I'm doing. Thanks to everyone for great input to a new guy and the vast knowledge on here.


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6486562
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I still use my #2's that I modded good little trap. One other thing I did to mine was take a piece of a 8d finish nail and tack it to the top of the dog. Really stiffens it up
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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6486568
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I have been running modified Duke 1.75's for 6 years and they have held up perfectly even with 40lbs. + coyotes.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6487157
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I have been reading about modifying traps for at least forty years and have use some that had been modified and I still think it is time and money wasted.
It is the same principle as putting a hood ornament on a car to make it go faster.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6487229
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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6487545
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not me if your plagued with high dollar hunting dogs lams will most definitely save feet. non targets are the biggest reason I mod my predator equipment! Even on a 24 hr check in below freezing a animal can possibley lose a foot to freezing. couple that with a mangled paw and its just a black eye id prefer to avoid.Theres no doubt a unlaminated jaw will bite down harder creating a stronger grip but that says it all. I'll risk l a pullout to a 50 dollar yote versus a 1000 dollar vet bill or worse! That's the great thing about moding a trap its users choice.Although if it didn't help manufactures wouldn't offer them that way . A disclaimer would be cheaper then retooling a machine, or paying a welder to fabricate them. I'd never try a convince some one its a waste of time or money though.Just test it on your own hand the proof is in the pudding.I have and I highly recommend gloves with unmodded traps not your whole hand just a finger!


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: TONY.F] #6487559
03/10/19 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TONY.F
not me if your plagued with high dollar hunting dogs lams will most definitely save feet. non targets are the biggest reason I mod my predator equipment! Even on a 24 hr check in below freezing a animal can possibley lose a foot to freezing. couple that with a mangled paw and its just a black eye id prefer to avoid.Theres no doubt a unlaminated jaw will bite down harder creating a stronger grip but that says it all. I'll risk l a pullout to a 50 dollar yote versus a 1000 dollar vet bill or worse! That's the great thing about moding a trap its users choice.Although if it didn't help manufactures wouldn't offer them that way . A disclaimer would be cheaper then retooling a machine, or paying a welder to fabricate them. I'd never try a convince some one its a waste of time or money though.Just test it on your own hand the proof is in the pudding.I have and I highly recommend gloves with unmodded traps not your whole hand just a finger!


Ok Tony I got a question for ya.
On legally set trap you guy are responsible for a vet bill on a dog out roaming around. Hmmm?


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: red mt] #6487664
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by TONY.F
not me if your plagued with high dollar hunting dogs lams will most definitely save feet. non targets are the biggest reason I mod my predator equipment! Even on a 24 hr check in below freezing a animal can possibley lose a foot to freezing. couple that with a mangled paw and its just a black eye id prefer to avoid.Theres no doubt a unlaminated jaw will bite down harder creating a stronger grip but that says it all. I'll risk l a pullout to a 50 dollar yote versus a 1000 dollar vet bill or worse! That's the great thing about moding a trap its users choice.Although if it didn't help manufactures wouldn't offer them that way . A disclaimer would be cheaper then retooling a machine, or paying a welder to fabricate them. I'd never try a convince some one its a waste of time or money though.Just test it on your own hand the proof is in the pudding.I have and I highly recommend gloves with unmodded traps not your whole hand just a finger!


Ok Tony I got a question for ya.
On legally set trap you guy are responsible for a vet bill on a dog out roaming around. Hmmm?


In some states, yes. I forget if it's Mississippi or Alabama, but they apply strict liability to trappers who catch hunting dogs. Even if you're totally in the right, you're screwed.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: red mt] #6487810
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Originally Posted by red mt
Originally Posted by TONY.F
not me if your plagued with high dollar hunting dogs lams will most definitely save feet. non targets are the biggest reason I mod my predator equipment! Even on a 24 hr check in below freezing a animal can possibley lose a foot to freezing. couple that with a mangled paw and its just a black eye id prefer to avoid.Theres no doubt a unlaminated jaw will bite down harder creating a stronger grip but that says it all. I'll risk l a pullout to a 50 dollar yote versus a 1000 dollar vet bill or worse! That's the great thing about moding a trap its users choice.Although if it didn't help manufactures wouldn't offer them that way . A disclaimer would be cheaper then retooling a machine, or paying a welder to fabricate them. I'd never try a convince some one its a waste of time or money though.Just test it on your own hand the proof is in the pudding.I have and I highly recommend gloves with unmodded traps not your whole hand just a finger!


Ok Tony I got a question for ya.
On legally set trap you guy are responsible for a vet bill on a dog out roaming around. Hmmm?



Not just that but we live in a sue happy society and even if your 100% in the right you could still
End up in court and loosing, it’s a lot harder getting soaked for vet bills when all the mutt experienced is some inconvenience in being held immobile

To me it is cheap insurance on land traps anyways I don’t mod my water traps more then adding extra chain



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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6487838
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Red not yet but as nitelife said it only takes one bleeding heart judge for all that to change in a instant! In my area the city folk move to the country buy one cow,3 llammas and 5 pyrenese. So im very vigilante about doing all I can to insure they return home with all 4 paws.Old farmers wouldn't waste there resources to fight you in court but the new breed of disney farmers wont hesitate.A land owner opened my eyes to paw damage done by traps! It almost cost me a property! If your miles from society10 or more then you wouldn't have any worrys. Because ultimately we all know what the future of a predator in a trap is.I trap 100% private property but face it dogs have more rights then trappers

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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493369
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hood ornament isn't a good analogy unless chrome plating a trap is considered a modification improvements to make a product preform better have been around since time began And as end users developed their own modifications that worked a business developed selling products already modified its the American way


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493387
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Nitelife &Tony thank you for the reply,,, wow
Makes no sense to me sorry
A guy would think private means private property.


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493398
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How does anyone know when an incidental is caught in “your” trap?

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: Wanna Be] #6493487
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You laminate to reduce the unit pressure, then you have to increase the spring strength to lift the increased weight of the lams (also increasing the the decreased unit pressure) then you have to base plate to keep the super springs from bending the trap and you could have bought a coyote trap at the start. You now have trap that I would only pay scrap prices for.
Trap modification is a hobby unto itself. I know guys that put 30" tires on 1/2 ton Chevys too. and 750double-pumpers of 305s, like any high school kid knows more than any GM engineer.

I don't discourage modification of traps if that is your desire, your traps your money, etc. I just have never seen a valid argument for the necessity of modification other than it makes some people feel good.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493492
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I called the wildlife resources people and the sheriffs dept.
They both gave me the same answer about dogs on private property.

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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: red mt] #6493493
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Originally Posted by red mt
Nitelife &Tony thank you for the reply,,, wow
Makes no sense to me sorry
A guy would think private means private property.
Private does mean private to people. But the dog guys defense is my dog cant read a sign. So we the guys doing it by the book take it in the rear The houndsmen here get permission on 10 acres and hunt10,000.But as long as a judges allows the dog owners to run rampid! Its never going to change only get worse!


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Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493502
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So your “private” allows people to trespass to get dogs? Down here they’d be trespassing and get dealt with accordingly. Their animals may not be able to read, but they better know how.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #6493596
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I would have skipped the nightlatching until you had more experience on how far you like the pan to fall before firing. One size does not fit all. But I did the same thing once and regretted it.
Some mods don't make the trap better. Just cause headaches.

Re: Now I understand why modify [Re: TONY.F] #6493618
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Tony up here they better get permission to recover dog from landowner , or get a game warden to help them. Because a landowner DOES NOT have let anyone there property to recover anything including a dead deer or elk if it jumped a fence then died.
If a dog is walking in cattle sheep or whatever landowner can shoot that dog without any repercussions that is my understanding of the law hear.
Dog can't read here hold the owner of the dog liable so I hope the dog owner can read. grin

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What if someone would put up signs that say “traps in the area” then the dog owners would enter at their own risk and the dogs risk.


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