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Modifing Ztrap DP #6527889
04/29/19 08:51 AM
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Has anybody modified a z-trap from push pull to pull only? The reason I ask is because in Wi we can only run pull style and I have a line on some z-traps at a very reasonable price.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6527914
04/29/19 09:20 AM
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You could just cut the dog off at the top of the notch, and file a night-latch on the end, so they can't push it down to where it won't trip. Very simple. About 2 min per trap. Unless that makes the dog too short to hold the trigger at the right angle. You could weld and grind the notch full, replace the dog with one without the notch, or probably several other methods. Bottom line, it can be done pretty simply.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6528006
04/29/19 11:55 AM
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Weld a bump or piece of wire over the notch.

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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6528623
04/30/19 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Weld a bump or piece of wire over the notch.

I was thinking the same thing or a zip tie in the notch with the tag end up to block the lever
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6528648
04/30/19 11:44 AM
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Well the reasonable price went out the door. It's comical how some will pay more than what they cost new with shipping.

Thanks for the info tho.

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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: The Beav] #6528732
04/30/19 01:51 PM
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x2. I had a trapper brag to me that he could catch more grinners and skunks then me because of the Z traps two way trigger. He brags, I laugh.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6529375
05/01/19 11:56 AM
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6529561
05/01/19 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 50fps
Has anybody modified a z-trap from push pull to pull only? The reason I ask is because in Wi we can only run pull style and I have a line on some z-traps at a very reasonable price.


50fps, Aside from a myriad ways of turning the trap into pull style only trigger, but are you sure about that? I get why you would think so, since the regs only define the DP as an enclosed trigger trap with a pull-activated trigger.
On the other hand, it does not say anywhere that the push/pull activated traps are not permitted.
Your push/pull dp from Z-traps is still a pull activated trigger trap. It may not be exclusively pull activated, but I would argue that it does not specifically state that in the regulations.

Not saying you're wrong, or to ignore it and use push/pull triggers, just curious if you can shed a little more light on where you come up with the initial statement that we can only run pull style triggers in WI.

WI DNR 2018 Trapping Regulations, page 4
Enclosed Trigger Trap: any trap with a pull-activated trigger located inside an enclosure and
recessed 1¼ inches or more from an opening that is no greater than 1¾ inches in diameter.
The diameter of the opening is measured as the straight line distance across the opening
between the two inside points which are furthest apart. If the opening is square or rectangular,
this measurement must be made from the two opposite corners that are furthest apart.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: Traps R Us] #6529586
05/01/19 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Traps R Us
Originally Posted by 50fps
Has anybody modified a z-trap from push pull to pull only? The reason I ask is because in Wi we can only run pull style and I have a line on some z-traps at a very reasonable price.


50fps, Aside from a myriad ways of turning the trap into pull style only trigger, but are you sure about that? I get why you would think so, since the regs only define the DP as an enclosed trigger trap with a pull-activated trigger.
On the other hand, it does not say anywhere that the push/pull activated traps are not permitted.
Your push/pull dp from Z-traps is still a pull activated trigger trap. It may not be exclusively pull activated, but I would argue that it does not specifically state that in the regulations.

Not saying you're wrong, or to ignore it and use push/pull triggers, just curious if you can shed a little more light on where you come up with the initial statement that we can only run pull style triggers in WI.

WI DNR 2018 Trapping Regulations, page 4
Enclosed Trigger Trap: any trap with a pull-activated trigger located inside an enclosure and
recessed 1¼ inches or more from an opening that is no greater than 1¾ inches in diameter.
The diameter of the opening is measured as the straight line distance across the opening
between the two inside points which are furthest apart. If the opening is square or rectangular,
this measurement must be made from the two opposite corners that are furthest apart.



My source is Wi trapper education and the warden present at that class along with the instructors. It was stated that pull only allowed.

Last edited by 50fps; 05/01/19 05:38 PM.
Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6529646
05/01/19 07:24 PM
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If they are the newer style Z-trap (with a bolt through the trigger)-you can flip the trigger around and it will work as a pull only

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6530099
05/02/19 11:58 AM
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50fps, that's interesting, thanks for stating that. I had not heard of this before, and will need to look into it.
May need to modify my dp's!

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: Traps R Us] #6530155
05/02/19 02:34 PM
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6530244
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: Traps R Us] #6530408
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6530652
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Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6546113
05/29/19 02:23 PM
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Unless you are setting a drowning set during dry land only season or setting on a beaver dam it won't really matter if it is a push pull or just a pull trigger.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6546667
05/30/19 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 50fps
. . . My source is Wi trapper education and the warden present at that class along with the instructors. It was stated that pull only allowed.


Your sources are wrong. And it will be "fixed" in print either this year or next.

WI DNR 2018 Trapping Regulations, page 4
Enclosed Trigger Trap: any trap with a pull-activated trigger located inside an enclosure and
recessed 1¼ inches or more from an opening that is no greater than 1¾ inches in diameter.


A Z-trap DOES have a pull-activated trigger. Therefore, it's legal.

Note: The regs do NOT say a pull-activated trigger only.

Regs left to interpretation of wardens are frustrating to say the least.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: Muskrat] #6548622
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Originally Posted by Muskrat
Originally Posted by 50fps
. . . My source is Wi trapper education and the warden present at that class along with the instructors. It was stated that pull only allowed.


Your sources are wrong. And it will be "fixed" in print either this year or next.

WI DNR 2018 Trapping Regulations, page 4
Enclosed Trigger Trap: any trap with a pull-activated trigger located inside an enclosure and
recessed 1¼ inches or more from an opening that is no greater than 1¾ inches in diameter.


A Z-trap DOES have a pull-activated trigger. Therefore, it's legal.

Note: The regs do NOT say a pull-activated trigger only.

Regs left to interpretation of wardens are frustrating to say the least.





I hope you are correct and wording is changed. It just seems odd that misinformation would be put out by one of the instructors who was from the WTA hierarchy and a warden who also traps.

Re: Modifing Ztrap DP [Re: 50fps] #6548771
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That was John Olson's interpretation several years ago when I put the question to him. But we know that can change too.

It might not be changed in print for 2019 yet, but should be changed for 2020.

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