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Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553289
06/11/19 10:38 AM
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I’m not going to discuss ticks cuz that’s going pretty well. But, I want to pass on some info about disease reporting. You see, what makes national news is literally the tip of a pyramid. At the bottom are all the ticks. First layer up are all the people and animals exposed. Next (but smaller layer) is all who got bitten. Next layer is all those who developed a condition or disease. Next smaller layer are those who went to see a doctor. Next (and it’s getting very small layer) are those where doctor took blood tests and determined what the causitive agent was. And at the top are the samples that went for DNA testing with results to CDC.

So, when you hear that there were some small number of cases of something in your state, and you’re scratching your head thinking, “why are we even worrying about such a small number?” Please consider the top of the pyramid actually represents a much larger number of people who were exposed and might have gotten a mild case that went unreported.


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Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553292
06/11/19 10:51 AM
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Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553295
06/11/19 11:13 AM
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Ticks are showing up here!

Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553349
06/11/19 12:55 PM
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My brother has a disease that basically makes him allergic to mammal meats (red meats). Made his liver shut down. Only fins or feathered stuff now. Got if from a tick bite.

Re: Ticks [Re: Teacher] #6553476
06/11/19 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I’m not going to discuss ticks cuz that’s going pretty well. But, I want to pass on some info about disease reporting. You see, what makes national news is literally the tip of a pyramid. At the bottom are all the ticks. First layer up are all the people and animals exposed. Next (but smaller layer) is all who got bitten. Next layer is all those who developed a condition or disease. Next smaller layer are those who went to see a doctor. Next (and it’s getting very small layer) are those where doctor took blood tests and determined what the causitive agent was. And at the top are the samples that went for DNA testing with results to CDC.

So, when you hear that there were some small number of cases of something in your state, and you’re scratching your head thinking, “why are we even worrying about such a small number?” Please consider the top of the pyramid actually represents a much larger number of people who were exposed and might have gotten a mild case that went unreported.

Nice post, thanks.


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Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553480
06/11/19 04:48 PM
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The climate will always change and plant, insect, and animal populations will respond accordingly depending of whether or not the change favors them.

Changing "global warming" to climate change was a stroke of brilliance by the left. When the warming predictions did not come true it looked like they were going to lose traction. With the new name of "climate change," regardless of what change occurs. they can blame it on some behavior or another of mankind and tell others what they should or should not be doing. Their goal all along.

Just keep in mind that it has been warmer in the past than it is now and it has been colder in the past than it is now, but we still have moose, bears, deer, turkeys, elephants and of course ticks.

Hear is another thought for you. The natural environment is always in a state of change, an ebb and flow, as creatures big and small (including bacteria and viruses) evolve. This tends to keep things in balance. Mankind, through our ability to build shelters, grow foodstocks, and combat disease via our technological developments, has created a huge imbalance. We have created a target rich environment in which we are the target.

Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6553930
06/12/19 10:08 AM
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I hadn't being feel quite right for the last few months. Went in last week done blood work,EKG,etc all came back fine. Just got a call from the doc that I have Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. Guess my mushrooming days are about over.

Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6554764
06/13/19 10:18 AM
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When I was a kid we never had ticks. In those days the farmers burned off the swamps and pasture fields each spring to encourage new growth and I think that killed the ticks. All that old growth debris just makes fine tick cover and wintering places. Now we are not allowed to burn anything. Already twice this year I have had forest fire people at my house because they saw the smoke from my firepit cooker/smoker.

Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6554774
06/13/19 10:34 AM
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I feel one reason we are seeing more ticks in my area is you don't see many spring burn offs anymore. Too many tree huggers say it pollutes the atmosphere and causes climate change.


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Re: Ticks [Re: MJM] #6555071
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The first two cases of paralysis in horses caused by tick infestation have been reported in the United States.

The cases in American miniature horses are described in the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine.

Both horses had been referred together in May last year to the Purdue University Veterinary Teaching Hospital in Indiana.

One, a three‐year‐old filly weighing 93.6kg, had gone down. The owner reported that the horse had experienced 12 hours of difficulty with walking and weakness that progressed to being unable to rise.

The other was a four-year-old mare weighing 108.6kg. She was also suffering from weakness, progressing to recumbency, although was still able to stand unsteadily.

Both horses, who had been bought by the owner nine days earlier from a non-licensed petting zoo, had shown incoordination and weakness 24 hours before referral.

A waterbed for employed for a 3‐year‐old recumbent American Miniature horse presumptively diagnosed with tick paralysis.
A waterbed employed for the three‐year‐old miniature horse presumptively diagnosed with tick paralysis. Photo: Trumpp et al. https://doi.org/10.1111/jvim.15540
Veterinarians checked the animals and found that both had decreased tongue and tail muscle tone, and had normal spinal reflexes.

Cerebrospinal fluid cytology was normal. Testing for equine herpesvirus‐1 proved negative.



However, they found numerous ticks, Dermacentor variabilis, on both horses.

The younger horse had about 150 embedded and engorged ticks, mostly concentrated along the base of the mane and tail.

The older mare had about 100 embedded and engorged ticks, concentrated in the same locations.

The ticks were removed within 24 hours of arrival at the hospital.

Both horses were treated topically with permethrin. Supportive care included fluid therapy, treatment for corneal ulceration, and frequent repositioning during recumbency.

Within 48 hours of tick removal, both horses were neurologically normal.

“Ours is the first reported case of presumptive tick paralysis in horses in North America,” lead authors Kelsey Trumpp and Ashley Parsley, together with their colleagues, reported in the journal.

“Although rare, tick paralysis should be considered in horses presented with acute‐onset weakness progressing to recumbency.”

The authors said further research was needed to learn more about how neurotoxins from Dermacentor tick species affected horses.

Tick paralysis, they noted, is most frequently is reported in dogs. It occurs when an adult female tick attaches to the host and produces salivary neurotoxins that enter the circulatory system of the dog.

These neurotoxins act on presynaptic membranes at the neuromuscular junction and prevent the release of acetylcholine, most commonly resulting in increasing motor paralysis.

The primary tick species implicated in cases of tick paralysis of dogs and cats in North America are Dermacentor andersoni (the Rocky Mountain Wood tick) and D. variabilis (the American Dog tick), whereas tick paralysis in Australia most commonly is caused by Ixodes holocyclus.

“Cases of tick paralysis in large animals have also been reported, but only in Australia,” they noted.

In a retrospective study of 103 horses in Australia with presumptive tick paralysis caused by I. holocyclus, 88% of the horses were recumbent and unable to stand on presentation.

Seventy‐six percent of them were less than a year old, and half were younger than six months old. Thirty-nine percent were miniature horses or ponies.

The case-report team said the two North American horses had also been treated with botulinum antitoxin while in hospital, as botulism had been considered a potential cause of their paralysis.

“However, the rapid improvement in neurologic status observed in these two horses made botulism unlikely because recovery requires regeneration of new motor end plates, which can take up to three weeks.”

“Both horses reported here showed rapid improvement upon tick removal and survived. Neither horse had residual neurologic deficits.

“Given the lack of published reports on tick paralysis in horses in North America, it is likely that horses are relatively resistant to the development of clinical signs.”

The full case-report team comprised Trumpp, Parsley, Melissa Lewis, Joseph Camp Jr and Sandra Taylor, all with Purdue University’s College of Veterinary Medicine.


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