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Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6577700
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British tankers. Iran is ruled by IslamoMarxists in the Baathists. The Baathist were created by France to rule in Syria. Saddam Hussein was a Baathist. For the record, the Iranian Revolution was British sponsored to remove the CIA's American Shah who booted out the British regime. Ayatollah Khomeini, was a British subject, as his father was an Anglo. There are photos of him in a suit and tie.
Jimmy Carter initiated his NSA Director Zbigniew Brzezinksi's radical Islam doctrine in Iran, to fight the Soviet Union, who had invaded Afghanistan.


That is the background on Iran, except that Iran has a treaty with Russia for mutual self defense. Iran if it is attacked, Russia has legal authority to assist Iran in defense.

Iran has been goading the United States to attack for a number of years. If you examine British policy, along with American financiers, they have been trying to start a war with the Russians, in order to gain control over the Russian natural resources again. Russia has not taken the bait.
The reason Iran wants America to strike is Iran can and will survive an air war. Iran has very rough country which would make an invading army bleed. They have WMD's and superior Russian defensive weapons. An American Vietnam in Iran or a defeat, would restructure the entire Mideast, including the position of the Saudi's and the Israeli's. Saudi Arabias Sunni regime would probably collapse.

The British as in the two previous world wars, have positioned America with the French to take on Russia. That would be a mistake, as war would shatter eastern Europe, the United States and leave the British and French in control again.

Keith is correct in the problem in the world is the emerging Socialists of central Europe. The Germans and French overthrew the EU elections for two incompetent appointees, which the people did not vote for. Angela Merkel though is not the problem. She has some serious health issues. The person the Germans are looking to is the Austrian Sebastian Kurz, who is a leftist and in his tenure as Chancellor of Austria and President of the EU, he outmaneuvered Donald Trump across the global board in treaties with Japan, Africa, China and South China, along with Russia.
The EU is moving hard for a dictatorial centralized federal state. A rule like this will supplant the United States in time due to the emerging consumer market of Africa, as the United States is focused on China which the data shows is dying out because of age within 30 years.
It is in a number of nation's interest to draw America into a conflict with Iran. As Iran keeps poking at the United States, it is logical to conclude that they will bring the pokes to the American shores which will leave not any alternative.

Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6577707
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Originally Posted by Bruiser1
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North Korea, thanks to President Donald Trump, is now for the most part doing what we want them to. Iran is not. Anyone who watches, reads or listens to the news should know this.

Keith


Only if you watch Fox News



North Korea did 17 missile tests in 2017. Thanks to President Donald Trump, North Korea then went 522 days without any missile tests at all. The test in May was of a short range missile not prohibited by Kim's own self moratorium on testing ballistic missiles.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...6/why-north-korea-testing-missiles-again

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Re: Iran [Re: Rat Masterson] #6577842
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There's a subject that the U.S. and our so called allies don't want to deal with. Biological weapons is the one thing that the whole World is unprepared for. Iran possibly has the most advanced Biological program in the world thanks in part to the U.S. and friends. When the U.S.S.R. broke up Iran swooped in and bought everything they could get their hands on with no competition as the rest of the world worried about the Nukes. It was like a yard sale for them picking up equipment, agents, vast amounts of research and even scientists for their programs. The U.S. and the rest of the world would have no defense against a modified biological agent until it's released and even then it could take a year or more to develop a vaccine and millions of lives. It is estimated that if three agents were released at the same time the WORLD population may be reduced by to 80 percent in a matter of months. If its four agents then you are looking at game over. People we don't know what they have developed and of all the countries in the world they are the number one country would use it! Think about it something you can't see and could take 7 to 10 days to show symptoms and all the people you come into contact with in that time. You say nuke the whole country. They have positioned these agents in other countries, maybe even in the U.S.. It could be as small as a ball point pen taken into an airport to be released and in minutes it is headed around the planet. So if you think the U.S. and its allies are afraid of Iran then you better hope so.

Re: Iran [Re: loosegoose] #6577843
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Our taxes don't come close to covering the US budget every year, we have a spending deficit. The deficit/debt used to be a big deal amongst conservatives and republicans, I hardly ever hear about it anymore. Wars add greatly to the deficit and debt, if everyone had to suffer financially the "do their part", it might make some hawks think twice about sending young men to die every time someone does something we don't like. [/quote]

Interesting that you say that. I see on the news that Nancy Pelosi called the Treasury Secretary just yesterday regarding the importance of raising the debt ceiling.

LOL zim

Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6577899
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Iran is apparently preparing for war by refitting their navy vessels with glass bottoms so that they can keep an eye on their air farce from day 2 of a conflict. Clever little sheet heads.


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Re: Iran [Re: Scuba1] #6578137
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I see the advanced thought there.
I truly hope Israel has some outdated ordinance they need to dispose of.

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Re: Iran [Re: KeithC] #6580934
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Originally Posted by KeithC
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I would like to see a War Tax paid by all Americans every time we go to war. If that is done politicians would be a lot more careful about deciding which conflicts they decide are of benefit to this country and her people.


I would guess most Americans already know that our taxes pay for our wars. Taxes are what provides most of the US budget.

Keith


Not even close to being close to a fact for our wars.

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Hahahaaa all we have to do is tell Isreal handle the middle east the way you see fit,,grab a bag of popcorn and turn the TV on. grin


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Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6581033
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
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I would guess most Americans already know that our taxes pay for our wars. Taxes are what provides most of the US budget.

Keith


Not even close to being close to a fact for our wars.


The reports all show taxes as where the government of the US gets most of it's money for expenditures.

https://www.mercatus.org/publicatio...ere-does-government-get-money-it-spends?

So where do you believe the US gets it's money for military expenditures?

Keith

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What does our military do if they ain't fighting?
Still got to be somewhere.

Zim

Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6581069
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Grackle would just as soon the US just roll over on their back and not try to defend itself.


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Wars as of late have been paid for by deficit spending.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Originally Posted by Zim
What does our military do if they ain't fighting?
Still got to be somewhere.

Zim


Why?


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Wars as of late have been paid for by deficit spending.


Kinda our own fault. Take a country and give the spoils of war back to them..... minus the payments to the political players.
If instead we used the spoils of war to pay for the war, we would be sitting in a much better position fiscally.

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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Grackle would just as soon the US just roll over on their back and not try to defend itself.


Not at all. But we do need to stop using our taxes to be the global police. Our kid's kids will never get our current war paid for.

Re: Iran [Re: Zim] #6581106
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Originally Posted by Zim
What does our military do if they ain't fighting?
Still got to be somewhere.

Zim

Yeah....like go home and rejoin the civilian workforce.

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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by Zim
What does our military do if they ain't fighting?
Still got to be somewhere.

Zim


Why?

I guess what I meant is all those fine men and women signed on for is to defend our country.
So they train, practice, for what? I think the job description was pretty plain.
I suppose it is way more expensive to deploy and pay more in combat pay and so forth.
I thought that what our military was for, I do not want a war at all but have always thought
that military might, along with a strong hand would be the best deterrent for such.

Zim

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