Re: Wind energy
[Re: nate]
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^ true. Fed Gov subsidies oil/gas and electric generation through out the US. Almost everything that is a necessity for life is subsidies including the farmer. There again the towers may never pay for it worth but does add the cause, is really no different then subsidies the oil/gas companies and that industry.
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Re: Wind energy
[Re: nate]
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There is the loss of landscape view. But am wondering what impact is to wildlife. Most of the farms I see these put up on say in Iowa for instance, do you still see deer, or trap anything around these things? What do the easements do to access of the property? Just curious... Jim
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Re: Wind energy
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Never been a fan of the wind turbines even from day 1. They eat too much space up for too little return. They are making them bigger every time they put them up it seems. That helps to make the recently put up obsolete quicker. Once obsolete the production of spare parts dries up. The old towers can't be reused as they can't support the newer bigger units.
Thorium salt reactors seems to be the most promising and can even be fueled with the spent fuel of the current plants. That sounds like a win win deal to me. They can even be made mobile. By design no way to have a run away either.
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Re: Wind energy
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Those wind generation companies pay a lot of taxes to state and county/townships they are sitting on. The windfall is huge to those small communities. The landowner is paid yearly/monthly for the rent of the land and roads etc.. I'm not saying I'm for wind or solar energy just pointing that out. [/quote] One probelm at least here in Iowa they gave most of them have around 20 year tax abatements thanks to our supervisors.
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Re: Wind energy
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Those wind generation companies pay a lot of taxes to state and county/townships they are sitting on. The windfall is huge to those small communities.
Those taxes are not going to amount to a hill of beans for the loss of 320 plus jobs here. Local businesses, the schools need people, when they start feeling the pinch in loss even more jobs will be at risk.
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Re: Wind energy
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Gary, I’m surprised that they are burying them they said the ones here when they come down they take and grind them for reuse of the fiberglass. I've never heard of recycling fiberglass. Supposedly these are buried because they are not recyclable.
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Re: Wind energy
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Edp: would like to see if they survive without federal subsidies . I have asked this question al around. I know one man who has asked this from our state reps and got not one answer back. Liars incarnate!
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Re: Wind energy
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Wind and solar both are subsidized. It is why the Europeans owned a large portion of this "green" looting of America in the Obama years. For the facts, I was told that our rural electric was mandated to purchase 40% green energy from Obama regulations, which are still on the books, and is why all of our energy prices have tripled and will keep rising. If people would raise enough protest about this, in shutting off subsidies, and demanding that the 40% be removed, it would release funds for maintaining coal and progress to thorium. For those who are not aware, America had working thorium power plants in the 1960's. Richard Nixon shut it down, because America needed nuclear weapons from nuclear plants. Thorium is clean nuclear power, the earth has billions of tons of it, and the United States is loaded with it by God's good Grace. We could power the world literally.
Wind power requires a great deal of cost maintenance. It is the worst of the green energies, as costs are overwhelming. I have read stories that Europe is dumping their wind power and trying to unload it on Africa.
American energy policy is controlled by the insiders. Our natural gas is being used to run power plants in the east, which is driving up our home heating costs. States like Minnesota are insane in getting rid of all energy production, and expecting North and South Dakota to generate coal electricity for them. That is liberalism. North Dakota has stated that they are at max in green energy as it is not dependable. You can not power a grid with a system where the wind does not blow half the year, and the sun is not in they sky for half the day. Very interesting, I've never heard of Thorium before.
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Re: Wind energy
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When the wind turbine wears out and taken down. Are they being replaced with new ones on the same location? If not. What happens to the foundation? Surely they are quite deep in the ground? Had a updated transmission line near my place about 8 years ago. Those footings each pole are 11’ diameter and 48’ deep. Solid concrete and rebar cage structures. They told us that when they break down nothing is done. They are left standing.
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Re: Wind energy
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I can't back this for a fact but I stumbled upon it reading about the disposal of old turbine blades at the City Landfill at Casper Wyoming.
Wind farms don't stop mining A Single 3MW Wind Turbine Needs: 335 tons of steel, 4.7 tons of copper, 1,200 tons of concrete (cement & aggregates), 3 tons of aluminum, 2 tons of rare earth elements including Zinc, Molybdenum, Nickel, Cobalt, Platinum.
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Re: Wind energy
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I would like to see if they survive without federal subsidies. X2
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