Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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Strong's Number H5315 Original Word נפשׁ Transliterated Word nephesh Phonetic Spelling neh'-fesh Parts of Speech Noun Feminine Strong's Definition From H5314; properly a breathing {creature} that {is} animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a {literal} accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - {any} {appetite} {beast} {body} {breath} {creature} X dead ({-ly}) {desire} X [dis-] {contented} X {fish} {ghost} + {greedy} {he} heart ({-y}) ({hath} X jeopardy of) life (X in {jeopardy}) {lust} {man} {me} {mind} {mortality} {one} {own} {person} {pleasure} ({her-} {him-} {my-} thy-) {self} them (your) {-selves} + {slay} {soul} + {tablet} {they} {thing} (X she) {will} X would have it. Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
living being
living being (with life in the blood)
the man himself, self, person or individual
seat of the appetites
seat of emotions and passions
activity of mind
dubious
activity of the will
dubious
activity of the character
dubious
Usage by Word soul (393), life (86), souls (49), lives (15), persons (14), person (13), heart (12), mind (10), body (8), creature (8), himself (8), yourselves (6), dead (5), desire (5), minds (4), pleasure (4), will (4), any (3), man (3), themselves (3), appetite (2), die (2), ghost (2), he (2), hearts (2), herself (2), him (2), lust (2), slay (2), thing (2), angry (1), beast (1), breath (1), deadly (1), discontented (1), fish (1), greedy (1), hath (1), heart's (1), hearty (1), it (1), jeopardy (1), kill (1), live (1), men (1), mortally (1), myself (1), one (1), own (1), slayeth (1), soul's (1), tablets (1), they (1), thyself (1) Usage by Book Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Esther, Job, Psalm, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Habakkuk, Haggai, Zechariah
Spirit Strong's Number H7307 Original Word רוּח Transliterated Word rûach Phonetic Spelling roo'-akh Parts of Speech Noun Feminine Strong's Definition From H7306; wind; by resemblance {breath} that {is} a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively {life} anger 6 unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance {spirit} but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - {air} {anger} {blast} {breath} X {cool} {courage} {mind} X {quarter} X {side} spirit ({[-ual]}) {tempest} X {vain} ([whirl-]) wind (-y). Brown-Driver-Briggs' Definition wind, breath, mind, spirit
breath
wind
of heaven
quarter (of wind), side
breath of air
air, gas
vain, empty thing
spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
courage
temper, anger
impatience, patience
spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
prophetic spirit
spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
spirit (as seat of emotion)
desire
sorrow, trouble
spirit
as seat or organ of mental acts
rarely of the will
as seat especially of moral character
Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy
as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning
imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power
as endowing men with various gifts
as energy of life
as manifest in the Shekinah glory
never referred to as a depersonalised force
Usage by Word spirit (206), wind (76), breath (28), winds (10), mind (5), side (5), spirits (5), blast (4), vain (2), air (1), anger (1), cool (1), courage (1), quarters (1), sides (1), spiritual (1), tempest (1), whirlwind (1), windy (1) Usage by Book Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Job, Psalm, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Habakkuk, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
[Re: danny clifton]
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How can paradise (heaven) be real if there aint any trapping???????????????????????????????????????????????????? Lol Discussed this once with someone. Here's the deal:. Heaven will be made up all things good and then some. But there will be no death nor evil. In short: I personally believe there will be types of hunting, fishing, trapping, etc... Just without death and evil.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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I have seen it taught that plants have a body, animals have a body and spirit and humans have body, spirit and soul. Triune like our God! made in his image! It's our soul that makes us immortal.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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Irony:and sorry if this hijacks thread!
The humanist, globalist, agenda is the reduce human population and move all man to cities so that they can recreate a natural utopia. In a sense worshipping the creation rather than the Creator!
New Heaven: a big city in which all the saved will live in our own palace forever in perfect health (beyond our comprehension) with a purpose!
New earth: perfect and untouched!
Also this earth was created perfect with no technology of any kind nor the need to kill to survive. It suggest we had more of a symbiotic relationship with our surroundings, each other, and other life.
Personally I think we had multiple other senses that allowed for communicating and interacting with all the above.
God didn't create a vehicles or tools. He created animals! In fact, no fossil fuels till after the flood (from all the dead!!)
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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Ect 19:3 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. 20All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?
The only difference is man will be resurrected. The bible doesn't say either way that the animals will or not.
My understanding is that there is no going to heaven or "eternal torment" when you die. Just different resurrections. Some good. One is bad.
Christ is bringing the Kingdom here.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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Slippery slope when you bring in faith. That being said, I've watched more than a few people die and a lot of animals, including beloved pets, and never saw a "soul" leave the body. Animals have the same chemical reactions in their brain that creates personality and individualism as humans; dog are a perfect example. I think dead is dead, like before you were born, nothing, non existent; but if we have a "soul" then so do animals.
I also think heaven , based on the Bible, would have to either include past pets or you would have no memory of them; as there is no sorrow or longing in heaven. So If I got to heaven and my childhood dog wasn't there, the thought would bring me sorrow in way. If your old dog was there, whether it really is your dog's soul in heavenly form or a type of facsimile, like a "prop" , for the purpose of fulfillment and happiness is not for me to say. How many times have you told a child their dead pet is in heaven now ? I believe the Bible states in heaven we will not long for things of the world, as the world is sin, so I take it to mean we won't know trapping, racing cars, football, etc. but only the glory of God.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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I'd like to say that as far as animals being in heaven to me is not as problematic as the reincarnation of grandma into becoming a cow. I can see how that might upset the market for Big Macs. Even some Christians are a little squeamish when using the wine and bread as symbols in taking Communion.
Are symbols an idea or picture of something that is real I mean how significant would the Eagle be as a symbol for the US if we had none. I think if we had none then we would probably use something we had, maybe an Owl.
So if Jesus is coming back on a white horse from Heaven where did he pick up the horse. Yes learned people say that is only a symbol of power or a parable if you will. But since God can not lie why would he use a symbol of a horse if it were not at least possible. This entry will be different than the one on the donkey.
In the church its often talked about, "The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them." This they put in the millennium as a forward place to be attained, so people think they can usher in a new age on their own by acting accordingly.
And as always I do not mind debate.
"Turn your radio on and listen to the music in the air "
You are under the impression that a horse has to die for the Creator of all to have one?
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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The concept of the White Horse is not mine. Nor is the 4 horsemen. The winners of battle would do do a victory lap on a white horse, how much victory would it be if the horse dropped dead?
I must have missed something. Why would a horse from heaven ever die? I have no doubt there will be animals in heaven and the new earth. It will not be the same system we have here where they eat each other, as death will be done away with.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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A.I. is the new world where nothing dies
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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But since God can not lie why would he use a symbol of a horse if it were not at least possible.
If you know me by now, you know I can’t let this go. Luke 24:13-33 Clearly that act of holding (in the context) is for the purpose of deception. There are many synonyms for deception. Go.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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What do you mean Les-All animals have a soul-an arse soul.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Do animals have a soul and afterlife?
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What do you mean Les-All animals have a soul-an arse soul. Haven't read that in the bible. That must be from the Canadian version.
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