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Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. #6601892
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Give 'em both barrels. "We don't need China, and quite frankly would be better off without them". I bet Xi spit tea all over his computer screen when he read that one.

Going forward it should be obvious what a terrible mistake it is to let one country, and especially that one, have so much control over your economy.

Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: wr otis] #6601899
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I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again.
But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub.
Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say.
Money (and greed) is the bottom line.

Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: TraderVic] #6601906
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Originally Posted by TraderVic
I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again.
But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub.
Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say.
Money (and greed) is the bottom line.

Are these the same American consumers who will happily pay twice as much for "clean" energy? Actually, with the price of gas being what it is, folks might not feel much of a pinch at all


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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: wr otis] #6601910
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Plenty of countries can manufacture as cheap as China, the problem is these companies want in on China's consumers. If we pulled out of China completely it would be painful but we would survive, China on the other hand I'm not so sure.

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You have to ask yourself if you run a business and are in business to make money,why pay 3 times more to manufacture in the US versus cheaper in China where if you have competition cutting costs and being competitive keeps you in business? It sounds good to say have it made in the US but folks are wanting paid $20 an hour to make it worth their time to be able to make a decent living. Passed on to the consumer whom very few are going to go pay the higher price. Most of us use coupons or watch for a sale to buy things to save money.If one wants to grow their money,they aren't going to opt for paying the higher prices. No different than bickering on price when buying a new truck or a house. I don't know anybody that wants to work for pennies on the dollar to make things in the US.

Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: trapperkeck] #6601919
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
Originally Posted by TraderVic
I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again.
But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub.
Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say.
Money (and greed) is the bottom line.

Are these the same American consumers who will happily pay twice as much for "clean" energy? Actually, with the price of gas being what it is, folks might not feel much of a pinch at all


Yep.......same ones.

Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: TraderVic] #6601952
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Originally Posted by TraderVic
I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again.
But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub.
Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say.
Money (and greed) is the bottom line.


So if they can’t get it cheap perhaps they will stop trying to keep up with the Jones. That won’t e a bad thing either.


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You experience this first hand when you're a retailer.
Had a lot of discussions over the years with potential "customers" who expressed an interest in our products until they realized they could get a similar, but lesser quality product, cheaper at Walmart or Sam's Club.

Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: TraderVic] #6601970
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Originally Posted by TraderVic
I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again.
But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub.
Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say.
Money (and greed) is the bottom line.

Lot of truth in that statement.


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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: wr otis] #6601977
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tbn ask yourself how are Forefathers did it imagine a single income family , buying everything local quality over quantity and yes living within your means
Maybe the only way we can live now is with cheap credit, cheap consumables and low income workers to mow our grass and wash our windows


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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: wr otis] #6601979
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There are billions of other people who would happily sell us cheap crap, if we stop doing business with China, including people in India, Pakistan, the rest of Asia, Mexico, South America and Africa. We don't need Chinese buyers for American manufactured goods. The people in those other countries, who started producing cheap goods for us, would then have the Chinese's former income and would spend it on our stuff.

In the case of food commodities, like corn, wheat and soybeans, China would continue to have to buy from us or have their people starve, until they rose up and overthrow the Chinese government.

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Well some one in this country is buying all of them new vehicles at 30 to 65K a pop, there seems to be no decline in making them, new homes are going in, as a raise is in place building them around areas of the country, and people don't seem to be starving, lots of new jobs being advertised as well.. Frankly it's been a long long time since China has had any one throw out bad words about them taking our business's for their benefit, maybe it will show them that they finally have to watch what they steal any more !

I'd venture a guess that if people want the things they wish so bad it won't matter to them if they have to buy it in this country, they just have to get used to supporting their own country again instead of others that take ours for granted !


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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up. [Re: wr otis] #6601989
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The problem isn't that we can't have goods manufactured somewhere else. In fact, businesses would prefer to have things made in SE Asia rather than in China. Additionally, those SE Asian countries want to manufacture for our markets.

The rub is that those same SEA manufacturers want access to those billion consumers in China. They won't get that access if they tick off China by taking jobs away.


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Those billion consumers in China, how much less money would they have available to spend if we quit buying from them? How many hundreds of billions of dollars leave this country for China every year?

Say in the future the Chinese decide they want to rule the world, which I believe they do, and they just refuse to ship some vital products to us. Not cheap chinese shoes or toys with lead paint, but some things that are really necessary for our country. Maybe they cripple the car industry by with holding parts, or batteries, or tires, or bearings. Same with other industries that would be vital to our future. We might not think that is possible, but i would bet they have already made plans for the possibility. Their interest in dominance in the south China sea, you suppose that was a spur of the moment whim, or a long thought out plan with more to come. Aside from bleeding us dry and stealing our technology, I believe they could care less about our general welfare.

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Trump put a 25% tariff on those. Cheaper to buy American now.

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Cattle flatus.

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Best president for America in my lifetime...Bar none!

Give it to'em Trump.

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It is such thought that makes the donald believe he could commit murder and his supporters would still love him. laugh whistle

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