Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again. But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub. Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say. Money (and greed) is the bottom line. Are these the same American consumers who will happily pay twice as much for "clean" energy? Actually, with the price of gas being what it is, folks might not feel much of a pinch at all
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again. But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub. Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say. Money (and greed) is the bottom line. Are these the same American consumers who will happily pay twice as much for "clean" energy? Actually, with the price of gas being what it is, folks might not feel much of a pinch at all Yep.......same ones.
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again. But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub. Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say. Money (and greed) is the bottom line. So if they can’t get it cheap perhaps they will stop trying to keep up with the Jones. That won’t e a bad thing either.
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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08/24/19 11:28 AM
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I don't disagree with Trump trying to level the playing field regarding trade with China, however, so much manufacturing has left the U.S. and gone to China, I wonder how long it would take U.S. companies to re-tool to make their product(s) here again. But that isn't the big or main issue here ; The American Consumer wants everything CHEAP, and so there's the rub. Some folks will pay more to buy American Made, but the majority will not, regardless what they say. Money (and greed) is the bottom line. Lot of truth in that statement.
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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tbn ask yourself how are Forefathers did it imagine a single income family , buying everything local quality over quantity and yes living within your means Maybe the only way we can live now is with cheap credit, cheap consumables and low income workers to mow our grass and wash our windows
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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08/24/19 11:49 AM
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There are billions of other people who would happily sell us cheap crap, if we stop doing business with China, including people in India, Pakistan, the rest of Asia, Mexico, South America and Africa. We don't need Chinese buyers for American manufactured goods. The people in those other countries, who started producing cheap goods for us, would then have the Chinese's former income and would spend it on our stuff.
In the case of food commodities, like corn, wheat and soybeans, China would continue to have to buy from us or have their people starve, until they rose up and overthrow the Chinese government.
Keith
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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Well some one in this country is buying all of them new vehicles at 30 to 65K a pop, there seems to be no decline in making them, new homes are going in, as a raise is in place building them around areas of the country, and people don't seem to be starving, lots of new jobs being advertised as well.. Frankly it's been a long long time since China has had any one throw out bad words about them taking our business's for their benefit, maybe it will show them that they finally have to watch what they steal any more !
I'd venture a guess that if people want the things they wish so bad it won't matter to them if they have to buy it in this country, they just have to get used to supporting their own country again instead of others that take ours for granted !
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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08/24/19 12:38 PM
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Those billion consumers in China, how much less money would they have available to spend if we quit buying from them? How many hundreds of billions of dollars leave this country for China every year?
Say in the future the Chinese decide they want to rule the world, which I believe they do, and they just refuse to ship some vital products to us. Not cheap chinese shoes or toys with lead paint, but some things that are really necessary for our country. Maybe they cripple the car industry by with holding parts, or batteries, or tires, or bearings. Same with other industries that would be vital to our future. We might not think that is possible, but i would bet they have already made plans for the possibility. Their interest in dominance in the south China sea, you suppose that was a spur of the moment whim, or a long thought out plan with more to come. Aside from bleeding us dry and stealing our technology, I believe they could care less about our general welfare.
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Re: Ratcheting up the China rhetoric, all the way up.
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