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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619393
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Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: James] #6619399
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Originally Posted by Saskayote
I don’t disagree at all with the opening thread, I think it is bang on, but how do you explain the lack of mass shootings in other countries, countries like Canada, which is far, far, far less openly Christian than the USA? We too were built on Christian principles, by Christians and yet mass shootings are rare as a 100 dollar South Carolina coyote.

Population alone? Higher ratio of nuts? We should be having mass shootings galore based on our extreme hatred of anything Christian and our liberal laws regarding morality.

Same for France, Germany, etc., and other places that have forgotten, nay, pushed out God?

Originally Posted by James
Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

Jim


How many Christians are required to be in a nation for God to bless it?


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619404
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superstition has no bearing on this problem. focusing on fairy tales doesn't solve problems.

kids took guns to school when I was a kid too. we had just as many nut cases then. nut cases knew people would fight back if they did something horrible.

it wasn't a crime for a kid being bullied to waylay the bully and put a stop to it. kids today are taught by the school administrators to be victims.

I would get fired if I was a deputy. its hard for me to believe they have found people to write kids a ticket for tobacco and arrest them for fighting.

what kind of principal kicks a kid out of school for showing up with the pocket knife he skins coons with?

superstition has NOTHING to do with the frustration kids are dealing with at school.


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: James] #6619405
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Originally Posted by James
Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

Jim


True but it still has a religious foundation that promotes a set of moral beliefs and proper behavior associated with it, and if you have ever been there during a religious holiday and seen the number of people that crowd into the shrines and temples you would know that even though they might profess to be Unreligious there is a heavy exposure to the principles and beliefs it provides

And then again it is a completely different culture being one that promotes collective and not a individual beliefs





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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Saskayote] #6619446
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Originally Posted by Saskayote
I don’t disagree at all with the opening thread, I think it is bang on, but how do you explain the lack of mass shootings in other countries, countries like Canada, which is far, far, far less openly Christian than the USA? We too were built on Christian principles, by Christians and yet mass shootings are rare as a 100 dollar South Carolina coyote.

Population alone? Higher ratio of nuts? We should be having mass shootings galore based on our extreme hatred of anything Christian and our liberal laws regarding morality.

Same for France, Germany, etc., and other places that have forgotten, nay, pushed out God?

I believe it to be population. Canada has 54 cities with a population of 100,000 or more, while the U.S. has 349. The majority of what are considered mass shootings are gang related. Since gangs are most common in urban centers, it leads me to this conclusion.
As for Christianity, if it's principles were followed by all (thou shall not murder), there would be no mass shootings. As population centers grow and religious principles are swept away, it will only lead to more carnage. IMO.


Romans 8: 38-39
Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619465
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The only thing that will stop shootings is the victims shooting back. You can try to pray it away all you like but it hasnt stopped anything yet. My plan is to be armed at all possible times and try my best to stay away from gun free zones. But until everyone else starts carrying these things will just continue.


I agree with that even though the shooter in Dayton Ohio shot 17 killing 9 before being killed himself by police a mere 32 seconds after the first shot was fired. Shooters are sociopaths or psychopaths and have no sense of value for the lives of others. We have to create a situation where what they do value is threatened in the event they attempt to harm others. I think the others being armed and capable of shooting back goes a long way towards that goal.

Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619575
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It is a complicated thing that some dope like me can not wrap his mind around at all. One thing is the coddling we do to all the so-called victims out there. My Bride is watching NBC right this moment, and they just, moments ago, had on a segment about the proper way of "counseling" today's children to deal with their feelings concerning Climate Change! I absolutely sh** you not!

We are all doomed.


Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619654
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If you are trying to guage the influence of Christianity based solely off the # of mass shootings in a country your not looking at the big picture. As a country we started to move away from God and a lot of negative things started to increase. We are starting to make things that are bad legal and things that are good illegal. I'm pretty simple but I can see the connection. Some people have chosen not to see the connection because of personal reasons but the connection is still there. Hard to compare this country to other countries because I dont believe there's another country that's founded on individual freedoms such as this country. I believe some of our founders warned that when we lose are moral way we will not be able to keep our freedoms.

Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619658
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satan doesn’t need to work as hard in 3rd world countries, they’re already circling the bowl. lol


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: James] #6619659
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Originally Posted by James
What a simple solution: change the culture.

How realistic is that approach?

Jim


It is realistic since the culture changed from what it used to be in my day.


Banning guns is like trying to stop drunk drivers by keeping sober drivers from owning cars.
Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6619673
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satan doesn’t need to work as hard in 3rd world countries, they’re already circling the bowl. lol

A lot of truth there

Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Yes sir] #6619676
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
If you are trying to guage the influence of Christianity based solely off the # of mass shootings in a country your not looking at the big picture. As a country we started to move away from God and a lot of negative things started to increase. We are starting to make things that are bad legal and things that are good illegal. I'm pretty simple but I can see the connection. Some people have chosen not to see the connection because of personal reasons but the connection is still there. Hard to compare this country to other countries because I dont believe there's another country that's founded on individual freedoms such as this country. I believe some of our founders warned that when we lose are moral way we will not be able to keep our freedoms.


I believe your last sentence is right on, brother.


Banning guns is like trying to stop drunk drivers by keeping sober drivers from owning cars.
Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619679
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It has taken us many years to get to this point, it will take many more years to get this country turned around if it is possible. JMO


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: James] #6619688
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Originally Posted by James
Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

Jim


True. But personal accountability is almost a religion unto itself over there.

Mike


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: EdP] #6619695
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The only thing that will stop shootings is the victims shooting back. You can try to pray it away all you like but it hasnt stopped anything yet. My plan is to be armed at all possible times and try my best to stay away from gun free zones. But until everyone else starts carrying these things will just continue.


I agree with that even though the shooter in Dayton Ohio shot 17 killing 9 before being killed himself by police a mere 32 seconds after the first shot was fired. Shooters are sociopaths or psychopaths and have no sense of value for the lives of others. We have to create a situation where what they do value is threatened in the event they attempt to harm others. I think the others being armed and capable of shooting back goes a long way towards that goal.


The key thing there being THE POLICE killed him. They were very lucky the police were so close by. The videos i saw of it were all the people running scared away from the idiot shooting people. Now think if just HALF the crowd that got fired on immediately drew and returned fire within say 3 seconds that would have changed the outcome of that scenario drastically.


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619727
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Why dont we simplify this and just say the concept of heaven and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) .the concept of eternal damnation has been a part of most all religions.and all religions are under attack by an increasingly secular society . I think it is a contributing factor but not the root . There have always been athiest and there have semi automatic guns for many decades. Very few of USA's mass killings are Jihadists.

I think it has more to do with the fact these people can socialize with other people that think it would be cool to kill a bunch of pepole in neer anonymity .then they can practice shooting people as many hours a day as they can stay awake.The games even train them how to use these weapons and select which guns work best in which situations . Which body armor would work best for the return fire they might encounter .These games can be highly technical training programs for mass shootings . I find it hard to beleive that most of these guys could go from a no shooting background to deciding on a weapon and accuiring a weapon learning how to use it , picking out their tactical gear learning how to use it without sombody saying hay this guys up to no good maybe i should call the authorities. If you know exactly what you want when you go to buy a weapon nobodies going to question you.

Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619731
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Many of these people arnt the bullied type outcast they are the bullying type outcast

Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619739
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How come none of us that used to shoot each other with BB guns or choke each other out haven’t participated in a mass shooting or doesn’t that qualify because it wasn’t on a television screen?


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: James] #6619744
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Originally Posted by James
Then there is Japan, which has almost no Christian tradition at all.

Jim


Are you advocating for Japanese gun laws?


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Re: The Only Way Mass Shootings Will End [Re: Trapper7] #6619770
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Japans non Christian history was very evident in the brutality they used until we nuked them into submission.


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