Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I can't type what I think the demo rats should do, or Paul will give me a holiday
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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If you do not agree with the 2A do not own a weapon but do not infringe on the 2A rights of the people of the United State and believe in the Constitution of United States.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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A good bean counter can make there figures say anything they want them to. I found this out many years ago. Sad but true!
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Consider this. What IF..... it was illegal to be an NRA member AND there were national red flag laws. Can you imagine what the intersection of those two things could be ? So much for fist amendment ( freedom of association) guarantees also. Don't even think about due process. Thats the whole point. Without the second, the rest are mere suggestions and not worth the paper they are written on. Some of those clowns now want to tell up what we can and can not eat because ..... well global warming. The only thing that is sort of keeping those idiots in check is the second amendment
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Look at the bright side. Maybe only one in four Democrats want to take our guns. So Beto is probably going down in the primary.
So long as the majority of both parties believe in the Second Amendment, we should be safe.
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I can't type what I think the demo rats should do, or Paul will give me a holiday Lol Paul needs to open season on the Democrats!
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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One in four.... yea right ..... Want to buy a bridge ???
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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So long as the majority of both parties believe in the Second Amendment, we should be safe.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Look at the bright side. Maybe only one in four Democrats want to take our guns. So Beto is probably going down in the primary.
So long as the majority of both parties believe in the Second Amendment, we should be safe.
Jim You're fooling yourself Jim. Yes MAYBE 1 in 3 Democrat VOTERS want to take our guns but nearly 100% of ELECTED Democrats want to take our guns. Who do you think has more power ? Elected or simple voters ?
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I disagree with you somewhat (not entirely), and I am confident enough that I am going to buy an AR just to give the finger to Beto.
I made a new bet against Trump winning re-election, so that means I think a Dem will win. I wouldn't buy the Beto gun unless I felt pretty sure ARs won't be banned.
Why do I think a new Dem administration won't ban ARs? If they're paying attention to what 72% of their own party wants, they won't. The Senate and/or courts will likely stop over-reach.
Look, at some time in the future, ARs will probably get banned. They're just such an easy target for the gun-grabbers. All we can do is forestall that day. Maybe every gun owner should buy an AR, just to make sure we have skin in the game.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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My parents are staunch conservatives and die-hard Republican voters, but they think ARs should be banned.
Might be telling to find out how many in BOTH parties believe in the Second Amendment.
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I disagree with you somewhat (not entirely), and I am confident enough that I am going to buy an AR just to give the finger to Beto.
I made a new bet against Trump winning re-election, so that means I think a Dem will win. I wouldn't buy the Beto gun unless I felt pretty sure ARs won't be banned.
Why do I think a new Dem administration won't ban ARs? If they're paying attention to what 72% of their own party wants, they won't. The Senate and/or courts will likely stop over-reach.
Look, at some time in the future, ARs will probably get banned. They're just such an easy target for the gun-grabbers. All we can do is forestall that day. Maybe every gun owner should buy an AR, just to make sure we have skin in the game.
Jim
James, Politico found that 86% of democrats want an assault weapon ban. Other polls I have read recently found that 89% to 93% of democrats support an assault weapon ban. The democrats are the gun control party. If a democrat wins the presidency, the democrats who voted them in will insist on an assault weapon ban. It is their major issue right now. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/poll-most-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban-1452586Keith
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Your link says that most REPUBLICANS support an AR ban.
Troubling, if true.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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The democrats have been trying to find an issue to unite their base and get them to the polls. The democrats have tried uniting their base by pushing amnesty for illegal aliens and open borders, free college tuition for all, abortion rights, LGBT&Q rights, Medicaid for all, impeaching President Donald Trump and reparations for slavery. None of those issues have stoked the political ire of democrats the way the ban of scary black guns has.
If a democrat wins the presidency, they will have no choice but to create an assault weapons ban and proceed with confiscation, even if they believe it will likely be found unconstitutional. It's what an overwhelming majority of democrats desire
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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"abortion rights, LGBT&Q rights, Medicaid for all, impeaching President Donald Trump"
I'm with the Dems on the above mostly, but not on the rest. (MediCARE for all!)
What IS going on down there in the Lower 48? Up here, even most Dems don't want to ban ARs.
Trump is bringing out the worst extremes of both sides.
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It's a difference between 55% of GOP voters as opposed to 86% of Democrat voters. Significant difference.
Republicans typically are more reticent to support new gun restrictions, and Trump campaigned in 2016 on his strong support for the Second Amendment. But the poll found that 55 percent of GOP voters were comfortable with banning assault weapons.
Support for an assault-weapons ban was higher, at 86 percent, among Democrats. I saw that, but I was more surprised at the figure for Republican voters. There goes my theory that the Senate will block any AR ban. Jim
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I would guess a much higher proportion of Alaskans use, or know someone who uses rifles, than people in most of the lower 48 states, because it is easier to do so there. The people living in cities, in the lower 48, have to travel to and pay fairly high fees, to shoot at a private range. They can't just legally shoot on their tiny properties. Most ranges are indoor, fairly small and are hand gun only. There are very few private gun ranges in most cities. Waits can be long and range times limited. The other option is to travel a considerable distance to the countryside to shoot. Most public lands do not allow target shooting, except for a very few that have designated shooting ranges. This leads to people taking part in other, easier to engage in activities, instead of shooting sports.
Hunting obviously shares most of the same issues, so most city people don't use rifles.
Sadly, most people who don't take part in an activity, have little to no care in protecting the rights of others to take part in that activity. A larger problem is that many Americans fail to see any problem with the destruction of the Second Amendment, because they fail to understand why we have it. They don't comprehend that we may need to be able to come together to depose a tyrannical government as many of my many great grandfathers did 243 years ago.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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It's not very easy to shoot here in Anchorage. Discharging firearms, even airguns, in city limits is illegal. There's a shooting range two miles from my place, and another one about thirty miles away, and that's it. All the pull-offs where people used to shoot and plink have been blocked or closed by the encroaching nanny culture. Shooting opportunities for the young especially are much fewer than in central Ohio, where I grew up.
Anchorage is different from most of Alaska. We are surrounded by water (Cook Inlet) and mountains, with only one road leaving town to the south, and one more leaving from the north end of town. The Anchorage bowl in between the mountains and the sea is urbanized; no fields or farms. The mountains are in a state park near town. You can't drive to the outskirts of town and go shooting somewhere. The Rabbit Creek Rifle Range near my home is the only place in the Anchorage bowl where you can legally shoot. It's crowded only right before and during hunting season, so Anchoragites aren't doing a lot of shooting.
But Alaskans have a more live and let live philosophy. I may not want an AR, but why should I care if you have one, so long as you're not hurting anyone?
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P.S. for those about to quote the bible I will only listen to those who are 100% behind the ten commandments and dedicated to supporting equally everything written in Leviticus. No more picking and choosing. All or none.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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The world will fall into pure chaos when we fall. Reagan spoke of the world falling into a thousand years of darkness if these States united fall. Historically the last time Judeo/Christian Greco/Roman Western European civilization fell, the world suffered under 800 years of poverty, misery, rape, slavery, disease and death. We still call it "The Dark Ages". Liberty (Freedom plus Responsibility) is the greatest prosperity engine known to man. Amazing that instead of increasing Liberty and Prosperity for all, the whole world is racing headlong into greater tyranny, poverty and misery. So sad.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I doubt I'll listen much to them even if they strictly adhere to Leviticus.
Last I looked, the Bible had no Second Amendment.
Jim
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P.S. for those about to quote the bible I will only listen to those who are 100% behind the ten commandments and dedicated to supporting equally everything written in Leviticus. No more picking and choosing. All or none. Leviticus has been amended (Matthew 5: 38-42). Under your rules is this amendment allowed?
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I doubt I'll listen much to them even if they strictly adhere to Leviticus.
Last I looked, the Bible had no Second Amendment.
Jim There is no greater an example of individual freedom than that granted by the Almighty. Free will.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Mathew 5:
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
I don't understand the reference, J Staton.
It's interesting, though, that nowhere in Matthew 5 does Jesus condemn homosexuality or abortion.
Also, in verse 32 there is this interesting piece: "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I think it’s more important to remember that the second is in the Constitution is to secure a place so you folks can disagree with one another and practice a religion or not, providing it doesn’t infringe on one another’s individual pursuits granted in the previously assigned document,
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The world will fall into pure chaos when we fall. Reagan spoke of the world falling into a thousand years of darkness if these States united fall. Historically the last time Judeo/Christian Greco/Roman Western European civilization fell, the world suffered under 800 years of poverty, misery, rape, slavery, disease and death. We still call it "The Dark Ages". Liberty (Freedom plus Responsibility) is the greatest prosperity engine known to man. Amazing that instead of increasing Liberty and Prosperity for all, the whole world is racing headlong into greater tyranny, poverty and misery. So sad. Yup Only we've gotten better at killing each other and now have the technology to censor, monitor, and control travel. And as a whole we have forgotten how to live off the land. It will make the dark ages look like a preschool class! We as a race have never been put in a situation where we would all give up our govern rights as individual nations. Just hasn't been that bad of an environment globally yet.. nor have we had the technology to make a one world govt possible. Now we do and I believe we are about to see the conditions right to allow for a one world govt (Antichrist). I'm think less than 40 years?
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was talking this weekend and had this put into a perspective people talk like DEM is far left and Rep is far right
totalitarianism , and anarchy are the two extremes
totalitarianism ----DemRep--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------anarchy
there is no space between Dem and Rep only because I couldn't figure out how to get the R to cover the M
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Whoever and wherever and whatever the question, in the poll was taken, [b]is ALWAYS the question [/b]when presented to the public by the MEDIA!
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Do you really think pakistan and india or isreal and russia will get along long enough for a one world government? How about china and japan?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Do you really think pakistan and india or isreal and russia will get along long enough for a one world government? How about china and japan? I reckon they can get along just as good as Baptists and Mormons.
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I will probably upset a few with my comments, but such is life. First I am NOT against the 2nd admen., or the right to own a semi automatic weapon of your choice. But I would like to say that between the gun manufacturers and Testosterone pumped up macho men. they have perpetuated this crazy AR-15 talking point of the anti gun people. Guys thought it was cool to hold this black thing is their hands, that they could use a 15 to 30 round clip in. It was just testosterone talking. Little boys with big toys. Well the manufacturers loved this and proceeded to call it an AR-15. Some call it an Assault Rifle, Some an Automatic rifle (which it isn't). In the mean time the manufacturer capitalize on this and sell, thousand of them.
When a shooting occurs the news pickup on this black, ugly, threatening looking thing and see that it has been called an assault rifle. Then they blow this story up and villainize it. And this is then perpetuated by the anti 2 nd admen. people until it is completely out of control.
Now the stupid part begins: There are many .223 caliber rifles out there that look like regular rifle, with wood stock and forearm. You can mount a scope on them, night lights and about anything else you want. But they don't look threatening. These guns have been used for 100 years with very little concern. Large clips or magazines are not needed unless you are shooting at a range. Many states have maximum quantity or rounds permitted in a hunting weapon. I know some are five with maximum of 10, some as little as 3. But testosterone comes into the picture again. The bigger the better.
It is my suggestion that gun manufactures consider phasing out the replica military rifle and go back to the basics. Men are nothing more than little boys that have grown taller. Men are bigger suckers to advertising than women are in most cases. When the manufacturers starting coming out with Camo... my Lord... these guys went crazy buying clear down to their skivvies. Coats, hats, shirts, pants, shoes, sock and black and green paint to smear on their face.
I never owned any camo for hunting... I did a lot of hunting in a white t-shirt and blue jeans …. the last deer I killed, I was sitting on a downed tree, smoking a cigarette. Most of our grandparents didn't have all of this industry pumped up merchandise, including guns.
Another thing we are all ignorant of doing is continuingly calling the AR's by that name. I wonder how many of those over testosterone producing males would have or will now, buy an AR, if they from now on called "Blue Bell's Glory" and they are painted "Sky Blue" and all clips can hold no more than 5 in clip and one in chamber.
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I will probably upset a few with my comments, but such is life. First I am NOT against the 2nd admen., or the right to own a semi automatic weapon of your choice. But I would like to say that between the gun manufacturers and Testosterone pumped up macho men. they have perpetuated this crazy AR-15 talking point of the anti gun people. Guys thought it was cool to hold this black thing is their hand, that they could use a 15 to 30 round clip in. It was just testosterone talking. Little boys with big toys. Well the manufacturers loved this and proceeded to call it an AR-15. Some call is an Assault Rifle, Some and Automatic rifle (which it isn't). In the mean time the manufacturer capitalize on this and sell, thousand of them.
When a shooting occurs the news pickup on this black, ugly, threatening looking thing and see that it has been called an assault rifle. Then they blow this story up and villainize it. And this is then perpetuated by the anti 2 nd admen. people until it is completely out of control.
Now the stupid part begins: There are many .223 caliber rifles out there that look like regular rifle, with wood stock and forearm. You can mount a scope on them, night lights and about anything else you want. But they don't look threatening. These guns have been used for 100 years with very little concern. Large clips or magazines are not needed unless you are shooting at a range. Many states have maximum quantity or rounds permitted in a hunting weapon. I know some are five with maximum of 10, some as little as 3. But testosterone comes into the picture again. The bigger the better.
It is my suggestion that gun manufactures consider phasing out the replica military rifle and go back to the basics. Men are nothing more than little boys that have grown taller. Men are bigger suckers to advertising than women are in most cases. When the manufacturers starting coming out with Camo... my Lord... these guys went crazy buying clear down to their skivvies. Coats, hats, shirts, pants, shoes, sock and black and green paint to smear on their face.
I never owned any camo for hunting... I did a lot of hunting in a white t-shirt and blue jeans …. the last deer I killed, I was sitting on a downed tree, smoking a cigarette. Most of our grandparents didn't have all of this industry pumped up merchandise, including guns.
Another thing we are all ignorant of doing is continuingly calling the AR's by that name. I wonder how many of those over testosterone producing males would have or will now, buy an AR, if they from now on called "Blue Bell's Glory" and they are painted "Sky Blue" and all clips can hold no more than 5 in clip and one in chamber.
Human Nature is a strange thing...
Garry- I can see where your coming from and agree to a point. I'd just like to point out that our Founders didn't write our rights to own a weapon for hunting or target practice, it was added to defend ourselves from a gov't like we have now that is trying to trample on our rights.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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you can think whatever you like about black rifles or the AR-15 pattern rifle.
but I want to be very clear OUR FOREFATHERS THE FOUNDERS OF THIS NATION MADE IT CLEAR , WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME WEAPONS AS THE ARMY , INCLUDING CANNON. IT WAS VERY MUCH INTENTIONAL THAT THE PEOPLE BE AN EQUAL OR GREATER FORCE THAN THE GOVERNMENT AT ALL TIMES.
We are not a democracy , we are a constitutional republic , a democracy is a mob voting them selves power , wealth and favor at the expense of the minority.
AKA 2 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
a Constitutional Republic sets safe guards in place to protect the minority. a bill of rights , a jury of ones peers , burden of proof of guilt on the gov and not guilty until proven innocent , the electoral college.
a constitutional republic is 2 wolves and a sheep with a rifle saying not tonight if you will.
the sad part is politicians have been telling the truth for decades that they want a Democracy and we should have been afraid because that is not what we are. But our schools in large part failed us telling us what we had was a democracy but they were misleading you. My school told us we had a Democratic Republic , less of a failure but still not fully correct. now the politicians have told a bit more of the truth have they don't just want democracy they want Democratic socialism. since 50% of what they say is lies , or trying to conceal their real agenda to gain election and we should expect what they really want is full on Socialism, after all elections make them work harder , if they could just do away with those pesky things.
Robert Francis aka Beto told his constituency just last year 2018 that the people had the right to own guns including the AR15 a year latter "HECK YES WE ARE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS" do you really think he did a full 180 , no he wanted to get elected in TX so he said what people wanted , with an agenda not inline for what he said.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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For those who do not already know, 'AR' stands for Armalite Rifle. Nothing to do with assault. The term 'assault rifle' was coined by Adolph Hitler.
The reason liberals use the term is because they are using Hitler's tactics in many, many ways.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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I don't believe hitler coined the word Sturmgewehr
BTW the literal translation is storm gun
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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But on a religious note.
I believe the fall of America will kick off Armageddon! The world will fall into pure chaos when we fall. The Bible says God would send them a strong delusion. This climate change hysteria might just be it.
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I will probably upset a few with my comments, but such is life. First I am NOT against the 2nd admen., or the right to own a semi automatic weapon of your choice. But I would like to say that between the gun manufacturers and Testosterone pumped up macho men. they have perpetuated this crazy AR-15 talking point of the anti gun people. Guys thought it was cool to hold this black thing is their hand, that they could use a 15 to 30 round clip in. It was just testosterone talking. Little boys with big toys. Well the manufacturers loved this and proceeded to call it an AR-15. Some call is an Assault Rifle, Some and Automatic rifle (which it isn't). In the mean time the manufacturer capitalize on this and sell, thousand of them.
When a shooting occurs the news pickup on this black, ugly, threatening looking thing and see that it has been called an assault rifle. Then they blow this story up and villainize it. And this is then perpetuated by the anti 2 nd admen. people until it is completely out of control.
Now the stupid part begins: There are many .223 caliber rifles out there that look like regular rifle, with wood stock and forearm. You can mount a scope on them, night lights and about anything else you want. But they don't look threatening. These guns have been used for 100 years with very little concern. Large clips or magazines are not needed unless you are shooting at a range. Many states have maximum quantity or rounds permitted in a hunting weapon. I know some are five with maximum of 10, some as little as 3. But testosterone comes into the picture again. The bigger the better.
It is my suggestion that gun manufactures consider phasing out the replica military rifle and go back to the basics. Men are nothing more than little boys that have grown taller. Men are bigger suckers to advertising than women are in most cases. When the manufacturers starting coming out with Camo... my Lord... these guys went crazy buying clear down to their skivvies. Coats, hats, shirts, pants, shoes, sock and black and green paint to smear on their face.
I never owned any camo for hunting... I did a lot of hunting in a white t-shirt and blue jeans …. the last deer I killed, I was sitting on a downed tree, smoking a cigarette. Most of our grandparents didn't have all of this industry pumped up merchandise, including guns.
Another thing we are all ignorant of doing is continuingly calling the AR's by that name. I wonder how many of those over testosterone producing males would have or will now, buy an AR, if they from now on called "Blue Bell's Glory" and they are painted "Sky Blue" and all clips can hold no more than 5 in clip and one in chamber.
Human Nature is a strange thing...
Garry- Well,your wrong.It wasn't guys trying to be macho that brought the ARs to light.It was men comeing home from Vietnam,that wanted a rifle for civilian use,based on the same platform they grew to trust and depend on in the service.When others cought on how accurate and dependable they were they became popular.And when you say there is no need for high capacity clips or magazines unless your at the shooting range,,,who are you to decide what others want or need.You sound like another liberal that thinks the second amendment is for hunting.
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Re: Supporting 2A should be illegal
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Mathew 5:
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
I don't understand the reference, J Staton.
It's interesting, though, that nowhere in Matthew 5 does Jesus condemn homosexuality or abortion.
Also, in verse 32 there is this interesting piece: "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."
Jim James I was referring to Leviticus 24:20. Christ "amended" that Mosaic Law from "eye for an eye" to " turn the other cheek." Amending may really not be the right word to use when referring to Christ and Mosaic Law. Fulfilled is the proper way. Since this is a discussion on the 2nd I referred to it as an amendment. It's funny how you mentioned adultery. You can also find an "amendment" to Mosaic Law mentioned in the book of Leviticus. Compare Leviticus 20:10 to John 8:1-12.
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Guys thought it was cool to hold this black thing is their hand, that they could use a 15 to 30 round clip in. It was just testosterone talking. Little boys with big toys. Well the manufacturers loved this and proceeded to call it an AR-15.
Garry- You should do a little research before banging away at the keyboard.
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