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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Law Dog] #6624164
09/24/19 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Still trying to figure out if trees eat co2 and we have such a emergency why are we not planting trees by the millions rather then asking for money to fix things?

There are carbon banks that let CO2 creating industries buy carbon offsets. There are then companies that plant trees "by the millions" in order to sequester the CO2 in the form of wood, thereby locking up the CO@ created by industry.

I personally think it's just a big money making scheme for all involved (Al Gore being one of them).


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624176
09/24/19 03:23 PM
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Sea level has been rising for the past 20,000 yrs!!


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624251
09/24/19 05:46 PM
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Is it the rise in temperature or the influx of illegal immigration that's introducing exotic mosquito carried diseases in the Midwest?
Down here it seemed that these exotic diseases became known as the population of illegal immigrants rose.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: ] #6624281
09/24/19 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Is it the rise in temperature or the influx of illegal immigration that's introducing exotic mosquito carried diseases in the Midwest?
Down here it seemed that these exotic diseases became known as the population of illegal immigrants rose.


and the invasive species problem may be more related to the increased mobility of the human population than it is to any increase in temperature.

[but then, they couldn't use THAT to convince us to give up our sovereignty, so...Global warming, it IS!!]

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Re: Climate change ? [Re: white marlin] #6624282
09/24/19 07:01 PM
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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Teacher] #6624284
09/24/19 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I have no idea when tides are measured. I only know that when houses stay wet for extended periods of time, and it affects one’s livelihood, people tend to move.

That pretty well sums the whole thing up.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624285
09/24/19 07:04 PM
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well, if you're too dumb to move uphill from incoming water...

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Catch22] #6624295
09/24/19 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I have no idea when tides are measured. I only know that when houses stay wet for extended periods of time, and it affects one’s livelihood, people tend to move.


you mean they don't stay there and drown?

huh!

Re: Climate change ? [Re: bblwi] #6624431
09/24/19 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
Sulfur is found naturally in many soils and is a necessary component of the protein molecule. So shortages of sulfur causes less plant growth and or lower protein within the plant such as alfalfa and other higher protein feed stuffs. In the northern regions of WI, MI, NY etc. there used to be much sulfur coming to the earth due to acid rain so most soils were adequate in sulfur. After decades of scrubbers and using lower sulfur coal and also more natural gas the amount of sulfur in the rain water is far less and thus soils now are showing up with sulfur applications needed.

Bryce

Please cite your source which supports your claim of measurable increase in sulfur content in soil attributable to acid rain. I am interested in scientific facts, not "Truths".

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Law Dog] #6624437
09/24/19 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Still trying to figure out if trees eat co2 and we have such a emergency why are we not planting trees by the millions rather then asking for money to fix things?

The fact is, trees will absorb extra Co2 if it is available and subsequently show a significant increase in growth rate. This was proven in a double blind control study by Duke University.
By pumping Co2 at double the rate of what currently is found in our atmosphere into plots of trees, growth rate increased by an average of 15% compared to untreated plots.
That is real science. But we can't introduce facts into a discussion of "Truth", can we?

Re: Climate change ? [Re: 52Carl] #6624477
09/25/19 12:21 AM
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Below is a link that I reviewed a few years ago when working with farmers on fertilization recommendations.

Bryce

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160509105735.htm

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624485
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I guess as the earth warms the mosquitoes will migrate carrying their diseases with them and first thing you know you guys in Alaska will have sceeters up there. That's funny because I had a neighbor that went up there hunting and showed me pictures and I saw what I thought was horrids of mosquitoes. He said no that was humming birds.

People and birds migrate and carry disease (and wind, but that's caused by global warming I guess) for many reasons, maybe for better jobs or for freedom from war or even for religion. Maybe some people move because they get regulated out of their homeland. I thought about that but when your too old and tired to move what's a guy to do?

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624625
09/25/19 08:28 AM
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Well the way I see it. 2 month ago we had 12 years before we would all die . a couple of weeks back we had ten years to live. Now the little Swedish professor that smiles over the pond tells us we have 8.5 years. At this rate we are going to be darn lucky to make till the end of November. So I am not buying Christmas cards or presents just yet and see how this plays out first.


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: Climate change ? [Re: Scuba1] #6624635
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Well the way I see it. 2 month ago we had 12 years before we would all die . a couple of weeks back we had ten years to live. Now the little Swedish professor that smiles over the pond tells us we have 8.5 years. At this rate we are going to be darn lucky to make till the end of November. So I am not buying Christmas cards or presents just yet and see how this plays out first.


I'm not buying any green bananas.

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624640
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Let's go Brandon

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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624664
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lol good one scoob


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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624667
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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624763
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How come they never include water vapor in their reports when it's a major player in greenhouse effect?

Re: Climate change ? [Re: Hydropillar] #6624945
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Re: Climate change ? [Re: Teacher] #6625097
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Climate change brings interesting problems with it. Mass migration is one. As seas rise, people in low lying areas get pushed to higher ground. If enough are forced to do this, the chain reaction will cause migrations to other countries. This will cause “we don’t want refugees coming here” conflicts around the world. Gosh, we’ve got it now with economic, personal security/safety and unstable governments as the cause. Migrations due to rising water will be worse. Bangladesh is experiencing that right now. It won’t be too much longer before New Jersey, Florida, Louisiana, other low-lying states and many island nations will be experience the same thing.

As the climate changes, insects (think disease carrying mosquitoes and flies) will move further north. We’ve seen brown Recluse spiders living well in southern Minnesota. Aedis ibopictus mosquitoes, which carry malaria (I think); Zika virus, Chagas’ disease and other things are moving north because our winters aren’t as severe—-and the mosquito and fly eggs can overwinter better meaning they’re surviving our winters. Ask local doctors if they’re seeing diseases that are more tropical today and they’ll all tell you it’s happening.

I studied tropical disease when I was in college in the early 1970s. At the time, I thought we’d never see these things in the Midwest. Guess again. Many are here now because it’s gotten warm enough to allow the insect hosts to survive.



I don't know about Rochester MN. but it got down to -22* here in south east Iowa last January. That at least should slow those tropical bugs down some I would think. I know it froze my egg, I don't know about the Aedis ibopictus mosquitoes.

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