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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6641418
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I been watching post. Could a person used like caven gland lure put a little in some urine? I am new to this.

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6642166
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You can Bobcat trapper.
I don't know what is in it but should be fine


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6643077
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Wayne, I like your way better...fresh (slightly tainted) in the urine for a few weeks, then use. And, recycle the glands. That's the way I'm rollin'.

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6643357
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If all this info cant help a beginner they need to read it several times! Alot of hidden info in this if a guy thinks creatively. Coon duke is spot on about glands breaking down differently. My fox glands will break down to a watery sludge in half the time my yote glands will. Cats are in between both but I prefer my cat glands to still have some solids left in them.


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: Coon Duke] #6645289
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Originally Posted by Coon Duke
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Here’s a gallon of good stuff. Red fox glands broken down to liquid aging in good meat fed winter fox urine I collected myself.

I'm betting that stuff will get you some fur. Looks good.


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6645402
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OK, I gotta ask . . . what's the rubber band for?


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: TONY.F] #6645527
10/21/19 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TONY.F
If all this info cant help a beginner they need to read it several times! Alot of hidden info in this if a guy thinks creatively. Coon duke is spot on about glands breaking down differently. My fox glands will break down to a watery sludge in half the time my yote glands will. Cats are in between both but I prefer my cat glands to still have some solids left in them.


This is interesting. My red fox glands take about 3 years to break down, but they're not a watery sludge, they're a paste about the consistency of pudding. My cat glands only take about 1 year to break down good. I wonder what the difference is. Mine are in a climate controlled environment, and I wonder if that may be the difference?



Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: Lazarus] #6666865
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
OK, I gotta ask . . . what's the rubber band for?


On the other side of the jug there is a piece of paper with the ratios written on. smile


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: Coon Duke] #6667005
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Originally Posted by Coon Duke
Originally Posted by Lazarus
OK, I gotta ask . . . what's the rubber band for?


On the other side of the jug there is a piece of paper with the ratios written on. smile

That's the side we wanted to see Lol

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6667098
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by TONY.F
If all this info cant help a beginner they need to read it several times! Alot of hidden info in this if a guy thinks creatively. Coon duke is spot on about glands breaking down differently. My fox glands will break down to a watery sludge in half the time my yote glands will. Cats are in between both but I prefer my cat glands to still have some solids left in them.


This is interesting. My red fox glands take about 3 years to break down, but they're not a watery sludge, they're a paste about the consistency of pudding. My cat glands only take about 1 year to break down good. I wonder what the difference is. Mine are in a climate controlled environment, and I wonder if that may be the difference?
That might be the difference paul my shed is the same temp as out side till winter then it really fluctuates only thing I safeguard my glands from is direct sunlight


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6668076
11/17/19 09:36 AM
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The amount of urine added to any aging gland batch dictates the degree of consistency as does extended heat exposure of the glands contributes to the speed of the decomp/breakdown. Also the size of your grinding plate greatly contributes to the finished product consistency and its speed in breaking down.

Extended aging of glands greatly changes the final odor and responses as a stand alone or in a formula. You need to establish how each aging system best suits your needs and desired results.

It is much easier to work with glands when they are fresh then after they have age on them. Then you are talking about using a food processer of sorts to further the glands consistency and their degree of emulsification. This process can be messy and much more clean up of equipment.

Also what you may have added to your glands, or how well they were cleaned, how much tissue/filler, fat content, hair, feces content etc. A small amount of urine added in the beginning stage will help jump start and encourage the age time. If it still needs help a bit more can be added for your needs and the desired end result.

Outdoor aging with periods of intense heat changes all things as well as the final odor. It gives much faster breakdown but also a significantly different odor. Lots of variables in aging need consideration to keep things as you want them to be.

We age indoors for a large percent of our gland prep so it takes a longer for materials and bases to go thru the process that we need to keep product consistency as good as can be along with retaining the animals true natural odor..

Further accelerated breakdown like you see in Coon Dukes liquid gland has its place in formulation as we use some total liquefied glands in some formulas. That type of process is very good for certain formulations to get a specific consistent response from predators.

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6668193
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I can see he uses the gum band to measure the breakdown separation between the urine the gland solids. Anyone can see that . grin

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6668702
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I sure appreciate the help, guys. I have the ball rolling...

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: wayne52] #6672606
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Originally Posted by wayne52
Grind the glands. I taint mine for three days then stop with S.B. and add gly. Add about 1/4 gly to amount of glands
I like mine to age for as long as I can leave them. At least 2 weeks 2 months is better. A year is better yet
You can use at 2 weeks and have a good product. I like 4oz of glands to a pint of urine.Let age for a week or two then I strain the urine and put the glands back in the jar
Hope this helps


Let me get this straight...

1) Grind, taint for 3 days, stop with SB.

2) Age the stopped glands for 2 weeks...to a year. Or, anything in between.

3) THEN add the aged glands to the urine, and let mix for at least 2 weeks.

Is that the correct procedure and timeline?

I'm ready to start chopping up glands, just want to make sure I understand. I was previously interpreting it to chop the glands, and after 3 days...add to the urine and let sit all year. But, it's the GLANDS you want to sit for a long time before I add them to the urine. And that only has to sit for a couple weeks...Right?

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6673615
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yes al that's how I interpret it


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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6674966
11/25/19 07:13 AM
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Good posts here intended to assist those who want to make their own secret sauce or understand a bit better what they're using that's made by others.

Bob has some very good straight forward information about temperature ranges and processes!
Having been in business in three different states that have VASTLY different temperatures throughout the seasons (Michigan, Nebraska, and now Texas) we've had to work with all the temperatures this nation has to offer. For example, when you live in a hotter climate (and south Texas is HOT) glands and meats must be worked with quickly. Even in the moderate temperatures we keep our "stinky room" at, fresh glands that are fine ground and allowed to sit a while before/in formation get.... thinner. No way around it other than to use thickeners.

So when I read that certain lures are thicker or thinner, that has very little bearing on attraction. Perhaps on application, but not on attraction.
If you live in a cooler northern climate taking your time in the stink shed is ok, but in the warmer, more humid/high dew point regions, you better work all day long to get stuff ground and preserved and set up cause ma nature never rests.

I have had the privilege to work with other lure manufacturers since the 80's when I started and there are a few thing you must do when testing attractants.
1. Test in various zones of the country if you plan to sell commercially to those zones.
2. Tests must be conducted in preferred locations of animal travel. Believe it or not, most "newer" lure makers don't do this one. Since time is money and good trap locations deserve the best smells in the bag oftentimes, "tested" lures are relegated to "other- let's see how this works locations" and that results in bias of the attractants. The oldie but goodie will always outproduce because it's used in the best spots. YOU MUST USE NEW SMELLS DURING TESTS IN THE BEST SPOTS ALSO! Tough to do, but critical to testing reliability.
3. Test results must have a large "n" or research number.... how many placements. Larger the n, the more reliable the results.

I would personally love to see a new influx of lure makers in an industry that has very few tenured makers anymore. Gone are many we used to know.
Ingredients are harder to get and very pricey because of it. Glands are tougher to acquire because fewer trappers trap/skin.
But I hope new blood catches the bug and dives in. Water's fine.

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Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: wayne52] #6711428
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Derrick. Do you mean glycol when you say gly? Or glycerine?

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6711801
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glycerine is generally the best choice when working glands in my experience. Some may prefer another choice.

Re: Gland Spiked Urine [Re: yukonal] #6731450
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I have 16 oz fox glands going into 1/2 gal fox urine, and 16 oz coyote glands going into 1/2 gal coyote urine. My glands have tainted long enough. I'm ready to age them before adding to urine. Can't remember the proportions of base to SB to fix it???

How much SB per 16 oz of glands to fix them, so I can age them before adding to urine? Thanks.

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