Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: trapfurfun]
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12/13/19 12:41 AM
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NonPCfed
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My NAFA coon situation generally mirrors TrapperTone's but at way, way, way smaller amounts of hides shipped. I do like playing with numbers so I have an Excel spreadsheet where my yearly and cumulative NAFA auction metrics were calculated. I have no fur sitting in NAFA storage except for 3 grinners, all my coon shipped from the 2018/19 season has sold, although I did get a bounced check for the last 6 ones.
I had coon fur in 16 NAFA auctions btween May 2013 and August 2019. My high was $28 and my low was $1 (a couple examples that were fresh coon that were screwed up to begin with or I screwed up in handling). My 2016 and 2018 NAFA selling seasons were disappointments, other than that, I was satisfied. My overall cumulative NAFA coon average was $12.36, after 9% commission that brings it down to $11.25, all sizes included, although I haven't sent anything smaller than 1xl since 2015, except 1 Lge this past season (went Western Northen and got $4 for it). My personal threshold average to dink with coon in my overall slowness and scale of trapping is $10. I haven't set a trap for coon this season. Don't know if I will, have burned all my vacation time on a couple of trips to see my kid in the Amry.
Good luck to you TrapperTone, you have a good system and work hard. Keep those averages north of a Hamilton!!
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: TrapperTone]
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12/13/19 06:53 AM
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Adapt and overcome, why is it up to FHA to make up your lost margin? I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads. I found a new market that boosted my margin greatly. I for one will continue to trap just as I will fish and hunt. For the money I spend on those 2 things I could buy fish and meat for food at a much lesser cost....
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: TrapperTone]
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12/13/19 07:17 AM
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I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads. Well put
Last edited by blackhammer; 12/13/19 07:23 AM.
Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: trapfurfun]
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12/13/19 10:59 AM
12/13/19 10:59 AM
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When you have been selling the best coon in the world for $14 averages, and think these are not on fire, you possibly have not sold them for $30 or $40 averages?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: bch]
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12/13/19 12:30 PM
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Matt28
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I thought this was about what groney was paying in Ks.? Not any more now this thread is about what south Dakota coon use to be worth. I know one thing if they had Oklahoma coon they would be happy with the prices they get for south Dakota coon
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: Matt28]
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12/13/19 01:08 PM
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I thought this was about what groney was paying in Ks.? Not any more now this thread is about what south Dakota coon use to be worth. I know one thing if they had Oklahoma coon they would be happy with the prices they get for south Dakota coon Let's try this again. Anyone sell any Kansas coons to Groeny this go around and are willing to post prices?
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: TrapperTone]
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12/13/19 04:09 PM
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I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads. This was incredibly well said. I recently listened to someone extremely knowledgeable on the fur industry explain this concern. It is indeed directly related to discussions of GFC prices.
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: Northof50]
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12/13/19 04:49 PM
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Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: trapfurfun]
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12/13/19 05:08 PM
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I see that Dirt,look at all the inapropriate references to "Sport" in regards to trapping.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: Dirt]
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12/13/19 05:16 PM
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Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun. People that trap for fun dont have to sell the fur just pitch it in the ditch. No need to sell something that wont pay the gas anyway.
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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run
[Re: Dirt]
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12/13/19 05:58 PM
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Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun. And at these low prices, no boom in sight or someone surely would be willing to buy some up and gamble.
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