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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6695043
12/16/19 10:12 AM
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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6695100
12/16/19 11:10 AM
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Boco I know your level of knowledge is leaps and bounds above mine so i wouldn't want to argue too much with you but i am having trouble understanding how one can think that having only a few "certified" traps for wolves and one being a #3 victor is the better than a lot of the regulations we have here in the states. I see them as different but going towards the same angle. That is like stating that a victor 1.5 is a good viable option for a coyote trap here. Well i suppose your regs state that as well. That comment was minutely argumentative i suppose. The long and short of it is it is the opinion of many that you are pushing and supporting something that has lost the scope of its original direction the second it got in the hands of govt and left the control of trappers. In the states we certainly have our own issues. Some areas are very very serious to the point of trapping being illegal period.

I work for a large company and we have many vendors that supply materials to our company. I am in the power and ability to buy very large quantities of product and have sales folk that i talk to daily from companies trying to move products. Every single day i am faced with the issue of what product do i buy for this issue. It would be great if i could just buy the best thing but i cant. Corporately we have preferred vendors and products we have to buy instead. These are not better and are not cheaper. Most of the time they are the opposite actually. I see that as the same issue you all are dealing with. Initially the company thought lets get preferred vendors that we know and have tested products and have inventory. Great idea and then the dollars start to flow around and now we have one or two things we just have to buy even though it is junk and we have to just deal with it. Seems like you all just kind of have to deal with it now.


2019 to date 20 Coon (2 released), 11 Muskrat, 3 cottontails, 1 Beaver, 4 Skunk, 1 Mink, 1 Coyote
Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6695186
12/16/19 12:53 PM
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Lack of money in the trade is hurting getting better tools for the trade,and slowing down the ongoing improvements to humane trapping.But trappers will continue to use and improve the most humane tools(ie:the Senneker snare improvements),hopefully the trap testing facility can find money to keep up.
All the trappers I know want to use the most humane tools available to harvest their fur,and support humane trapping standards.They do it mostly because they dont want to see animals suffer,and secondly they know how important it is to the industry going forward.

Now,that said,they need to test and pass more traps,The beef I have is that there are better tools out there that have not been passed yet because of beurocracy/money.

One can see from the work that has been done already that when traps are tested,and the necessary changes made for them to pass the standard that there are lots and lots that pass and thus available.You can see it in the extensive lists of approved traps for beaver,coon marten etc.

Unfortunately with the lack of money in the industry now,it looks like testing and cerification will slow down.

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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6696411
12/17/19 02:32 PM
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Boco, did you guys howl in disgust when they approved the Victor #1 1/2 Softcatch the 2 coil version for coyotes?
Do you guys have feedback on the testing and approval process?

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6696606
12/17/19 06:24 PM
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Not sure what the foothold coyote guys use,but there is a lot to choose from on the list.
I know,for Marten,long before the aihts we trappers were involved in the trap testing and evaluation for Ontario Trappers Assn..Its how the best marten trap wound up being manufactured right here in kapuskasing-the LDL,from the feedback from the trappers.Once the aihts testing started years later trappers were already using these traps.
The LDL otter trap-220(under ice) is also the trap of choice by trappers here,as is the LDL 330 for beaver.

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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6697911
12/18/19 05:52 PM
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Yukon 254. I agree with your sentiments regarding approved traps. I just sold all mine to an Indian. Hardly seems fair he can legally trap with them and a white person can't. His fur will likely pass thru the same auction as mine.

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6697927
12/18/19 06:04 PM
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Wait, what? Only white folks have to abide by the approved traps law?


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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: alaska viking] #6697941
12/18/19 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Wait, what? Only white folks have to abide by the approved traps law?

Only in Canada you say.
In the USA once you pass 50% you are cut off. In Canada 1/328 percentile rule exhist, and you get a Gold Card with Status
Harvest can be for Tradition Uses, but can not enter the commercial venue.

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6697977
12/18/19 06:40 PM
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North of 50. Really, and who would check. Certainly not the DNR

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6698036
12/18/19 07:20 PM
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They have a UV florescent spray spray they used for animals found in the wild of questionable end uses, those pelts show up in a collection and the paper work begins.
Your Ontario DNR is fines leveled are recovery to their department .

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6698069
12/18/19 08:02 PM
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North of 50. I am unaware of any special actions. Please tell me who "they"are and how this works. Thanks in advance.

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6702303
12/22/19 10:46 AM
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[Linked Image]

Here is a humane catch with a non certified trap. KO No BS K9 Extreme.

Not what I would put in the ground for a wolf set, but that is a Canadian “humane” catch, eh?

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: alaska viking] #6704141
12/23/19 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Wait, what? Only white folks have to abide by the approved traps law?


Works that way in WA too. Have to use cage traps unless you are tribal member, then no restrictions.

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6706665
12/26/19 07:01 PM
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Boco, you are gonna love it when American finally makes Canada into our 51st state. You will have all the freedoms and benefits of the USA without all of the insane red tape bureaucracy of Europe/Canada. My own experience with Canadian furs was stunning. A couple years ago I made an arrangement with someone on this site; I would send him some unique traps and he would send me some dried pelts of critters we can't get here in the USA. Sounded good. Nice barter, each party getting something we want. But nope. All the nice pelts were boarded, removed, packaged up to go to the USA, and then the Canadian bureaucrats stepped in. Can't send this, can't send that. The CITES tags were the least of the issues. Tom Hardisky, the sadly now deceased PA furbearer biologist was stunned when he learned that Canada would not let the trapper send his pelts to me. The Canadian bureaucrats even tried to blame the USA laws and PA regulations, but none of that stood up to scrutiny. So...Canada needs a good dose of good ol' USA, 'cause all that ridiculous regulatory nonsense is just killin' people's expectations and possibilities.

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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6706676
12/26/19 07:08 PM
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Unfortunately your F/W are the idiots with all the restrictions on fur,like the enforcement of the marine mammal act .
Your run by a bunch of antis.I know I dealt with them personally,and all the roadblocks were on your side.Canada said no problem to sell tanned fur in the USA.Much different story when your beurocrats stepped in with all the restrictions on selling in the USA.
You can keep all that crap along with your trapping bans down there,we want no part of those restrictions on our trapping freedoms here.
And dont forget Canadian trappers were at the forefront of Humane trapping long before anyone else-its one of the reasons we dont have all the restrictions on trapping here that you have down there.
Oh yea,and dont forget what happened to you poor buggers the last time you tried to invade Canada,LOL.
It would be no different today,

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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: Boco] #6706684
12/26/19 07:16 PM
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Boco, don't lump Alaska in with the lower 48. We also did not sign on to this ridicules BMP. i think Alaska has far less regulations than most others.


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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6706699
12/26/19 07:41 PM
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No worries Man,I'm just setting that guy from pennsylvania straight.
We got some dumb regs to work around like anywhere,but we're still free to harvest fur.

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: Boco] #6706702
12/26/19 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Unfortunately your F/W are the idiots with all the restrictions on fur,like the enforcement of the marine mammal act .
Your run by a bunch of antis.I know I dealt with them personally,and all the roadblocks were on your side.Canada said no problem to sell tanned fur in the USA.Much different story when your beurocrats stepped in with all the restrictions on selling in the USA.
You can keep all that crap along with your trapping bans down there,we want no part of those restrictions on our trapping freedoms here.
And dont forget Canadian trappers were at the forefront of Humane trapping long before anyone else-its one of the reasons we dont have all the restrictions on trapping here that you have down there.
Oh yea,and dont forget what happened to you poor buggers the last time you tried to invade Canada,LOL.
It would be no different today,

This exchange is meme heaven:
The he said-she-said of fur import/export.
Boco the lone defender of Canada, with his musket raised over his head against the might of the invading US military, while swarms of Third Worlders rush past Boco to get into the USA...if I have time tonight, I will try to make a few.
re the fur bans here are because America has larger cosmopolitan areas than Canada, and your urban areas are surrounded by huge wilderness. Totally different relationships to wild things and wild life and wild people. Our urban areas are connected to other urban areas, gigantic concrete jungles any neighborhood of which is larger than all of Canada's urban areas combined, which creates the biggest culture of nincompoops in the history of weenie nincompoops here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. We have these urban areas that want to pretty much outlaw everything, not just fur, including the food they eat and the water they drink. And once the US urban areas start really sliding, they disgorge huge numbers of refugees, who flee into pristine habitat like Idaho, Montana, Nevada, and immediately begin the fairyland urbanization process all over again. So as much as Canada may be socialist and defenseless (except for Boco and the musket, probably a rabid sic-'em beaver by his side, too) and all that, the fact is Canadians are still connected to the natural resource world. Food resources, resource extraction, furs, wild game, etc. So on that score, there is no question, Canadians are more human than all of the American urban fairies. But fear not, somehow our urbanites will discover Canada's nicest places and move into them. And then you will have your fur bans

Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: PAlltheway] #6706775
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Originally Posted by PAlltheway
Boco, you are gonna love it when American finally makes Canada into our 51st state. You will have all the freedoms and benefits of the USA without all of the insane red tape bureaucracy of Europe/Canada. My own experience with Canadian furs was stunning. A couple years ago I made an arrangement with someone on this site; I would send him some unique traps and he would send me some dried pelts of critters we can't get here in the USA. Sounded good. Nice barter, each party getting something we want. But nope. All the nice pelts were boarded, removed, packaged up to go to the USA, and then the Canadian bureaucrats stepped in. Can't send this, can't send that. The CITES tags were the least of the issues. Tom Hardisky, the sadly now deceased PA furbearer biologist was stunned when he learned that Canada would not let the trapper send his pelts to me. The Canadian bureaucrats even tried to blame the USA laws and PA regulations, but none of that stood up to scrutiny. So...Canada needs a good dose of good ol' USA, 'cause all that ridiculous regulatory nonsense is just killin' people's expectations and possibilities.


While I dont agree with a lot of the nonsense we have to deal with...^^^^^ this is simply not true. I send furs to your state ( PA ) and many others all the time. Just sent a bunch of CITES animals to a small town in northern PA last week actually. Its simple....I'll say it again. Its simple. I've been doing it for many years and only problem I have ever had was once when I sent an otter to WI. Otters up here are not tagged even though they are a CITES species. So even though the CITES permit was with the otter it caused the taxidermist to become nervous because he was used to seeing a tag. It wasn't a big deal and everything turned out just fine with one phone call. Other than that one time I've never once had a problem. Its just not an issue, and I send 6 to 10 shipments of furs to the US every single season.


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Re: Koro wolf traps fail... [Re: yukon254] #6706786
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by PAlltheway
Boco, you are gonna love it when American finally makes Canada into our 51st state. You will have all the freedoms and benefits of the USA without all of the insane red tape bureaucracy of Europe/Canada. My own experience with Canadian furs was stunning. A couple years ago I made an arrangement with someone on this site; I would send him some unique traps and he would send me some dried pelts of critters we can't get here in the USA. Sounded good. Nice barter, each party getting something we want. But nope. All the nice pelts were boarded, removed, packaged up to go to the USA, and then the Canadian bureaucrats stepped in. Can't send this, can't send that. The CITES tags were the least of the issues. Tom Hardisky, the sadly now deceased PA furbearer biologist was stunned when he learned that Canada would not let the trapper send his pelts to me. The Canadian bureaucrats even tried to blame the USA laws and PA regulations, but none of that stood up to scrutiny. So...Canada needs a good dose of good ol' USA, 'cause all that ridiculous regulatory nonsense is just killin' people's expectations and possibilities.


While I dont agree with a lot of the nonsense we have to deal with...^^^^^ this is simply not true. I send furs to your state ( PA ) and many others all the time. Just sent a bunch of CITES animals to a small town in northern PA last week actually. Its simple....I'll say it again. Its simple. I've been doing it for many years and only problem I have ever had was once when I sent an otter to WI. Otters up here are not tagged even though they are a CITES species. So even though the CITES permit was with the otter it caused the taxidermist to become nervous because he was used to seeing a tag. It wasn't a big deal and everything turned out just fine with one phone call. Other than that one time I've never once had a problem. Its just not an issue, and I send 6 to 10 shipments of furs to the US every single season.

Fascinating. My NWT Canadian counterpart explained the red tape he encountered as it was happening. It went on for months, almost a year, and was demoralizing to both of us. Does each Canadian province have different rules?

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