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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6736202
01/19/20 05:55 PM
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"Plodding along"is exactly what you do under Michigan rules.When I go back to deep snow trapping I'll go back to the footholds,the odds are about the same.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #6736278
01/19/20 06:50 PM
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I had two nock offs today by Coyotes. Snow is 2.5 feet deep now and it is starting to effect my snares. I had two reversals also. I wonder is having the additional swivel located on the top of the cable restraint when it is set gets the Coyotes attention where a normal snare would not be noticed. I am starting to put a little camouflage at my snare sets. Not sure if this the thing to do but I will try and hide them better

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6736636
01/19/20 10:23 PM
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I doubt the additional swivel is the problem; as from a coyotes perspective I would think it would appear to be just another piece of bush junk. Do you have a picture of the set up?

Last edited by bctomcat; 01/19/20 10:29 PM.

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6736720
01/19/20 11:16 PM
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UPoldman, I wonder if you got a bunch of unwanted odor on your cables or supports

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: AJE] #6737200
01/20/20 01:10 PM
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That is aways a possibility but I have been using Dakota cable restraints called Ghost Rider Snares that are cleaned, dyed, and loaded and shipped in a plastic bag. I have been setting them right out of the package.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737244
01/20/20 01:41 PM
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I doubt odors your problem.Welcome to the land of the Northern Michigan coyote.Everything you mentioned I've been there.Skittish,spooky,here today,gone tomorrow,possibly for weeks,etc.The northern Michigan coyote in the winter


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737263
01/20/20 01:59 PM
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My guess is they are seeing your CRs. You need to set them in tall weeds, small brush etc... and set a bunch of them. If you go set only 12, you're going to be lucky to catch one coyote every few days. I don't know all your regulations but there has to be a way to legally set your snares where they will be blended in. If you were snaring fox it would be MUCH less important but coyotes you need them blended in and without transplanting the weeds and sticks to new locations. Fox will walk right through a loop over a trail in the wide open with the 3/32 cable. You'll be hard pressed to get coyotes to do that. You need to set them where the coyotes are squeezing through tight stuff for your best results. I know this will tough with your entanglement rules but your hands are tied, much like the 4+" stop makes snaring fox basically impossible.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737267
01/20/20 02:03 PM
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FWIW, I come in from the side of the trail to make my sets, I don't walk on the trail and don't mash down the cover to the sides of the trails.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: ~ADC~] #6737512
01/20/20 06:05 PM
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I will try and take some pictures. I am snaring in cedar swamp. Nor much grass cover there. I have tried to use some fine dead cedar limbs for cover but as of now I can't say if they helped or not. As of today I have 48 CR's set on 4 bait locations and will be hanging more as sets appear.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737561
01/20/20 07:08 PM
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There is nothing bin our regulations about entanglement except a fence or tree limbs lower than I believe it says 5 ft that may suspend animal with 2 feet on ground. You guys are making this much harder than it needs to be. If you set a cable in small trees, brush I will almost guarantee there will be no small stuff left after a catch because they will chewer off anything within reach. I posted a picture of a catch in a cable and got lashed by everyone that read it I think. Funny thing is the DNR never came and arrested me for it. I set by the rules. I keep the regulations on my phone so I can reference them if ever in question.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737662
01/20/20 07:55 PM
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Unless there is more to the regulations than S2X posted, here's what I would use in MI.

44" of 1x19 1/16" cable for the LOADED loop end. micro lock with a 285 BAD J hook, mini deer stop set exactly at the 4.25" mark, a real 1/16"x9ga metal wammy, inline #6 barrel swivel, 3' of 7x19 3/32 cable with a #9 ga end swivel. I'd use a 5' piece of 1/2" rebar with a 24" piece of #9 annealed wire wrapped and welded to the top (leaving the tag end stick out to keep the swivel from sliding off the top) driven 30" into the ground for my anchor and support. I'd drive that pole in beside some weeds or something to blend it in 18-20" off the side of the trail and reach my #9 support out to the edge on the trail with the 12" CR loop hanging 12" off the surface, centered in the trail. I'd come in from the side and not get any closer to the trail than I had to.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737832
01/20/20 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by UPoldman
I will try and take some pictures. I am snaring in cedar swamp. Nor much grass cover there. I have tried to use some fine dead cedar limbs for cover but as of now I can't say if they helped or not. As of today I have 48 CR's set on 4 bait locations and will be hanging more as sets appear.


The fact that these are on bait may be the issue for what believe you are seeing as refusals. I find that to successfully be on a bait, the further away the snare the better the success. Along those lines, thick grass or tighter pinch points would be much more productive.

Picking an effective bait location is extremely important and not as easy as a lot of people think. Just my opinion, and I learned that the hard way many times.

I also walk in from the side in snow and make every effort to hide those foot prints as well.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737839
01/20/20 09:19 PM
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Set a bunch on non baited sets and see if your results change

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: ~ADC~] #6737848
01/20/20 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Unless there is more to the regulations than S2X posted, here's what I would use in MI.

44" of 1x19 1/16" cable for the LOADED loop end. micro lock with a 285 BAD J hook, mini deer stop set exactly at the 4.25" mark, a real 1/16"x9ga metal wammy, inline #6 barrel swivel, 3' of 7x19 3/32 cable with a #9 ga end swivel. I'd use a 5' piece of 1/2" rebar with a 24" piece of #9 annealed wire wrapped and welded to the top (leaving the tag end stick out to keep the swivel from sliding off the top) driven 30" into the ground for my anchor and support. I'd drive that pole in beside some weeds or something to blend it in 18-20" off the side of the trail and reach my #9 support out to the edge on the trail with the 12" CR loop hanging 12" off the surface, centered in the trail. I'd come in from the side and not get any closer to the trail than I had to.

That is all of the regulations. All on one page. The only one you missed is a relaxing lock. Can't use micros. I was using 10 " loop 6 to 8" of trail. I am setting my baits this weekend. I may try a few bigger loops higher.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6737864
01/20/20 09:34 PM
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Rule of thumb for snaring, the size of your loop is the same as it's height of the ground, but not for beavers.

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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: strike2x] #6737987
01/20/20 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by strike2x
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Unless there is more to the regulations than S2X posted, here's what I would use in MI.

44" of 1x19 1/16" cable for the LOADED loop end. micro lock with a 285 BAD J hook, mini deer stop set exactly at the 4.25" mark, a real 1/16"x9ga metal wammy, inline #6 barrel swivel, 3' of 7x19 3/32 cable with a #9 ga end swivel. I'd use a 5' piece of 1/2" rebar with a 24" piece of #9 annealed wire wrapped and welded to the top (leaving the tag end stick out to keep the swivel from sliding off the top) driven 30" into the ground for my anchor and support. I'd drive that pole in beside some weeds or something to blend it in 18-20" off the side of the trail and reach my #9 support out to the edge on the trail with the 12" CR loop hanging 12" off the surface, centered in the trail. I'd come in from the side and not get any closer to the trail than I had to.

That is all of the regulations. All on one page. The only one you missed is a relaxing lock. Can't use micros. I was using 10 " loop 6 to 8" of trail. I am setting my baits this weekend. I may try a few bigger loops higher.


I looked and can not see where it says micros are non-relaxing locks. I know from experience that they are relaxing locks whether or not they say it anywhere.

EDIT: However Blackdog Lopro Snare Locks are listed as relaxing at Dakota line and they would be just the same IMO if I couldn't use Micro Locks.

Last edited by ~ADC~; 01/20/20 10:51 PM. Reason: added info
Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: Mousey Trapper] #6738022
01/20/20 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mousey Trapper
Rule of thumb for snaring, the size of your loop is the same as it's height of the ground, but not for beavers.


This is pretty close and a good starting point. You can tweek it a little as needed. For example I use a 6-7" loop for coons, but run them up to 9" high if I'm targeting just the biggest coons down the trail. I'l also adjust my loop height and size on coyotes if I think deer are likely to be using the trail or if I think there's a good chance at a bobcat in the same trail. But like Mousey said that's a good rule of thumb to get you started.

Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6738042
01/20/20 11:15 PM
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My mistake, I was thinking micro locks were a cam lock system. They may be legal. It used to read washer style locks. They obviously changed wording a bit this year. Even with the download in my phone I still miss some stuff.


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Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: UPoldman] #6738171
01/21/20 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by UPoldman
Snaring Coyotes in Michigan for the first time. Have four large bait sites going with about three dozen snares set at trails that Coyotes have used coming to the bait.
What kind of bait draws the most predator attention...a deer, beaver?

Last edited by AJE; 01/21/20 05:40 AM.
Re: Northern Michigan Snaring [Re: AJE] #6741253
01/23/20 02:42 PM
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Trying to send photos but I can not figure out how to get my photos on to the thread. If anyone can explain to an old man how to do this I will post my pictures.

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