Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:40 PM
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Wanna Be, some won't be changed, but there are many who have never heard our side of the fence, and will be intrigued by the new information they are hearing, and will be forced to make a decision based on this unheard of info the now have. That's the goal.
Psalm 34:6
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:40 PM
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Wanna Be, some won't be changed, but there are many who have never heard our side of the fence, and will be intrigued by the new information they are hearing, and will be forced to make a decision based on this unheard of info they now have. That's the goal.
Psalm 34:6
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 07:22 PM
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How about the people who aren't antis, just live in a city and have never heard other wise? They are the majority, not the trapper or antitrapper. They are the ones that need a reason to vote protrapper, the ones we need to give a reason to vote in favor of trapping in any situation where it comes to a vote.
Psalm 34:6
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 07:23 PM
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How about the people who aren't antis, just live in a city and have never heard other wise? They are the majority, not the trapper or antitrapper. They are the ones that need a reason to vote protrapper, the ones we need to give a reason to vote in favor of trapping in any situation where it comes to a vote.
Psalm 34:6
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 07:32 PM
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You are correct, a non trapping public education campaign is going to be vital for our survival. Unfortunately the non trapping public includes a lot of people that hunt and fish. All states are rapidly approaching a time when game departments will not be self supporting, some may already be there. Like it or not another funding source will be needed to keep up programs and projects, i.e. public money. The anti's are a waste of breath as already stated, it's the majority in the middle we need, and the first step is for trappers to quit shooting themselves in the foot on social media!
Keith Daniels Retired OSTA President as of 4:50 P M 9/12/20
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 07:41 PM
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I think anything we can do to change the mindset of any outdoor sport is good. Has anyone got any data from any study that is on Hunting of all kinds and trapping. As a hole how do people think about the two activity's. I do not think there as been as many issue in front of us as there is right know. You can change there minds but can you get them to the voting booth
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 09:20 PM
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You need to let them know how it will impact them as most folks will vote against something if it has no impact on their lives. With all the pets being attacked by wolves and coyotes I’d focus on that and put them in a more realistic light.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: FL cracker in AK]
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01/19/20 09:23 PM
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How about the people who aren't antis, just live in a city and have never heard other wise? They are the majority, not the trapper or antitrapper. They are the ones that need a reason to vote protrapper, the ones we need to give a reason to vote in favor of trapping in any situation where it comes to a vote. Agreed 100%
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/19/20 09:45 PM
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I've found that if you try to talk to them as a regular trapper or somthing along those lines it will never get across. Being bubba and shouting every one who dosent wanna kill coyote pups is a liberal while posting bloody pictures of dead predators with their tounges hanging out ( can't tell you how many times I've been talking to folks online about trapping aaand one of these types shows up and ruins it ) definitely dosent help. Honestly I've found being a general relaxed person just willing to talk and hear the other person out has done more than anything.
Honestly alot of people who are considered anti arnt anti. Their just folks who want to be good people and help animals ,all they have ever been told is this peta crap and tall tails. They simply dont understand how stuff works. You cant be super dogmatic like " look here snowflake this is how the real world works bla bla bla". Alot of times I've gotten though to people by trying to be understanding like " it's obvious you really care about all these animals and I know it seems I'm a real bad person I can understand that but let me explain why it's necessary ".
Having a little compassion ( I know I know this week snowflake generation ) and understanding can get you a long way with some of these folk imo Yup, me and you see things the same mostly. If you ever move to Delaware I have a spot as a volunteer instructor you
Who is John Galt?
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Wanna Be]
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01/19/20 09:52 PM
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I’ll be honest, living in the South, I have never met anyone opposed to trapping...or hunting...or fishing. I’ve got more places to trap than I have time or traps. Same for me.. I have some land, I’ve never set foot on.
IT'S A SOUTHERN THANG Y'ALL WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 10:08 PM
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The very best way to have the public back up trappers against the antis is to get your local trappers council get active in the community volunteering same as the service clubs and putting on outdoor stuff for the kids and community like ice fishing days and wildlife dinners etc. It works well for all the active trapping councils. Many councils also provide nuisance animal control for the community which also brings in revenue to the council to be able to put on events in the community. Trappers have to be willing to volunteer time and other things.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: TNcat]
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01/19/20 10:35 PM
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I’ll be honest, living in the South, I have never met anyone opposed to trapping...or hunting...or fishing. I’ve got more places to trap than I have time or traps. Same for me.. I have some land, I’ve never set foot on. Funny how some folks don't help but mind their own business. I think the world would be a better place if more knew how to.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Wanna Be]
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01/20/20 01:20 PM
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I’ll be honest, living in the South, I have never met anyone opposed to trapping...or hunting...or fishing. I’ve got more places to trap than I have time or traps. I was working in Mississippi during the Hurricane Katrina clean up.One of the locals brought out pictures of a recent deer hunt,so the next day I brought pictures of my catches here in the U.P.The locals tried savaging me every which way they could.One said he ran coon with hounds,the others just said it was "unfair"to the animal.I'm not saying everyone in the south is an anti,but my experience is different than yours.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Marten Ted]
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01/20/20 01:32 PM
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Best way to fight antis is to educate the general, undecided public who have no idea about trapping or at least aren’t already opposed. We need to take more of a defensive strategy. First off, quit giving them ammo to use against us. Don’t set stupid locations, don’t catch dogs, don’t post stupid pictures. Stupid meaning anything that they can use for ammo against us. If they don’t have any ammo, they can’t shoot. Also talk to anyone that is open and willing to have a discussion about trapping and try to help them understand the importance of trapping and why foothold traps don’t inherently injure animals caught in them. I will stick my hand in any foothold trap I own. Educate educate educate. And make smart choices. We will never convince an anti why trapping is good but we can keep more people from becoming anti. All of the above,but as a whole we need to treat this as an industry and not"recreation".I think the biggest step backward was when somebody came up with the phrase "Recreational Trapping"and everybody ran with it.Louisiana at one time,maybe they still do,had a lobbyist trying to promote their alligator and fur products.Thats what we should be doing.Forget about the mountain man era.Yes,its part of our heritage but its in the past.Way too much of what we do in the U.S.in regards to the trade reeks of the 19 th century,not the 21st.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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