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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6778757
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Why on God's green earth should government supply health care?


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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: Paul Dobbins] #6778761
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by James
Well, maybe the plan is to take 90 percent of the income of those making over a million dollars per year. That might work too. And there have been times when US income tax rates were as high as 90 percent; tycoons still made their millions, and society didn't collapse.

Sorry, Keith, but you're been caught up by propaganda.

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Back then there were huge deductions and loop holes where they didn't actually end up paying anywhere near the 90 percent. If I recall correctly, Reagan got rid of the loop holes when he got his tax rate reduction. It was a trade-off.


You're probably right, and I overlooked the effect of deductions and loopholes. But my main point remains unchallenged:

You can play around with the numbers on both ends, income and tax rates, and achieve various results. If I were Bernie, I'd plan to tax everyone making over $100k by 75 percent.

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6778765
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Now that's a troll


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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6778791
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It doesnít matter what it costs, as long as it doesnít cost when you use it. Bernie is an idiot, and people will vote for this guy on that alone. IT DOESNT cost when you use it. Problem is, then they will decide if you have any value to use it! The ultimate mode to redistribute someone elseís wealth!

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: James] #6778925
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Originally Posted by James
Well, maybe the plan is to take 90 percent of the income of those making over a million dollars per year. That might work too. And there have been times when US income tax rates were as high as 90 percent; tycoons still made their millions, and society didn't collapse.

Sorry, Keith, but you're been caught up by propaganda.

Jim



James, bernie himself said he was going to tax people making over $29,000.00 to pay for Medicare. He has not announced that rate yet. Raising the minimum wage to $15.00 does put all full time working Americans into the bracket who will be taxed for Medicare. If he did not want to put them in that bracket, to be sponged off of too, he could just make minimum wage $14.49 and hour.

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: AntiGov] #6778926
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Why on God's green earth should government supply health care?

Or an employer?

Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6778946
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Communist Bernie has three houses,,,,why don't he give two of them to folks that don't have one?Socialism for YOU,,,not ME.


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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: Posco] #6778952
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Originally Posted by Posco
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Why on God's green earth should government supply health care?

Or an employer?


Employers voluntarily supply healthcare to attract and retain better quality employees. Employers typically get better rates than single buyers by buying multiple policies too, so it is usually more cost effective, than just paying a higher salary. Insurance companies will charge employers more if they have to many employees with health issues.

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: Posco] #6778953
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Originally Posted by Posco
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Why on God's green earth should government supply health care?

Or an employer?



No they should not


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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6779023
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The ones that have always paid will pay and the ones that wonít pay still wonít pay just look what a flop Obummercare was they offered it but not enough are willing to pony up for it in the end. If your on welfare it cost you nothing if you pay for insurance you just pay more when you need it, the same with SS you still pay 20%.


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"Employers voluntarily supply healthcare to attract and retain better quality employees. Employers typically get better rates than single buyers by buying multiple policies too, so it is usually more cost effective, than just paying a higher salary. Insurance companies will charge employers more if they have to many employees with health issues.

Keith"

That's one of the problems with our current system of health care. As insurance companies raise rates on employers with more health claims, employers have incentives to terminate high-claim employees. I've seen it happen.

So if you have big health problems, you can be hit with a double whammy: loss of a job in addition to healthcare bills.

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6779047
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In the last 10 years coverage has gone down and prices have gone up to the point itís not affordable even for a working person.


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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6779054
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I don't see any easy fix for the American healthcare system. I think some basic level of care should be available for everyone, including vaccinations for communicable diseases. I think health exams for poor children should be available too. I think it is in the public's best interest to keep Americans reasonably healthy.

I also think it is in the public interest to help people with issues that prevent people from working or having an adequate quality enough of life to take care of themselves, if they can't afford it. For instance fixing the knees of a working poor American, on the public dime, if they can't afford it, to make them a happier, productive citizen again.

Realistic tort reform could greatly reduce the cost of medical treatment and medicine in the US.

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Tort reform? It's hard enough to sue doctors as it is. Yet, you want more tort reform?!

Why protect doctors from the consequences of their own negligence?

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Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: KeithC] #6779059
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We have 2 major hospitals in my area they own a massive property and a insane amount of buildings yet they are considered non profits? They have volunteers working there that just blows my mind they get $12 for a Advil and $2 for the catchup cup it comes in and are listed as a non-profit.


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Originally Posted by James
Tort reform? It's hard enough to sue doctors as it is. Yet, you want more tort reform?!

Why protect doctors from the consequences of their own negligence?

Jim


I think the settlements are typically to high. Which leads to very high liability insurance premiums. It also causes hospitals to have a huge number of staff members to create and monitor procedures and keep and produce reams of electronic paperwork.

All the testing to get a new drug on the market, to avoid huge law suits if a tiny percentage of people, who often would of suffered worse or even died anyways, have an adverse reaction, slows down the availability of effective new drugs and dramatically increases the cost.

Doctors waste a huge amount of time documenting what they did, to protect themselves from lawsuits, rather than helping people.

Keith

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Too many regulations in healthcare which in large part are in place because of lawsuits past.

The amount of people hired to just do paper work for a hospital is mind boggling. More floor space delegated for this than for dispensing medical needs.

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Anybody on here without health insurance or had an accident with out insurance?

Re: Robbing Peter, to Pay Paul, to rob Paul. [Re: danvee] #6779083
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Originally Posted by danvee
Anybody on here without health insurance or had an accident with out insurance?


I have very minimum, no frills, insurance now. I went from 2003 or so up until Obama was going to charge us a fee for not having insurance, with no insurance. I never went to the doctor or hospital in all that time. I have not had a checkup since around 2003.

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I currently have no health ins. -- thank you obama. I am self employed and currently make too much to qualify for the oregon health plan , but obviously not enough to pay the 750 plus a month for a ? policy. I did just break my hand in october ( well i didn't the ram did ) and am lucky it was a simple fracture -- i was very happy that the total ended up being less than 2500$. this is the first time i have ever been without health insurance in my 35 years of working. Maybe next year.

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