Droppings in lure
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03/17/20 12:45 PM
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So just an observation. I see some lure makers absolutely refuse to allow any droppings or fecal matter in any type of lure, and I see others that add it (particularly to gland lure). When I had some windshield time this winter I was pondering this topic.
As it relates to bobcats, I concluded (in my own, unscientific way) that bobcat droppings probably convey information in two ways. First, as the dropping passes through the colon and exits the body, it passes between the two anal glands which excrete glandular material on two sides of the dropping. The glandular material PROBABLY conveys information about the cat's age, sex, mating readiness, and probably a lot of other stuff we don't understand. Second, the dropping contains processed, digested bobcat food -- mice, pack rats, rabbits, etc. As such, it probably isn't all that useful as it pertains to lure additives, since it's just digested food. On the other hand, the digestion process might also impart some chemical smells that are interesting to a cat. I suppose if a cat was eating on a deer, horse or some other large animal, it may convey to other cats that there is a large food source in the area . . .
All of that said, I think the old white chalky droppings would have marginal value as a lure additive because I surmise the glandular material has long since evaporated and dissipated. On trail cameras, cats rarely pay much attention to old white droppings unless they are saturated with urine or a lure, and then I surmise the real interest is the urine or the lure with which I have saturated them. On the other hand, fresh dark droppings hold interest to cats because (I surmise) they still have remnants of the glandular material that was imparted to them when they were left by the cat. So maybe fresh dark droppings added to a lure would have some benefit . . . ?
Canines are an entirely different topic, I believe, but interested to hear what the real experts have to say about this topic.
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Re: Droppings in lure
[Re: Lazarus]
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03/17/20 06:13 PM
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For years I have collected bobcat scat from the colon after skinning. I mix about 16 ounces of the cat turds with 4 ounces of a good commercial bobcat gland lure...take your pick. Results in the best cat smell there is.
Posted about this a few years ago and several on here ridiculed the idea. I laughed about that several times as I attached CITES tags on many nice cat pelts..
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Re: Droppings in lure
[Re: Jonesie]
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03/17/20 09:52 PM
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Plus when dealing with cats there may be other, not good for the human bacterias unless killed. like Toxoplasma gondii (not sure of spelling) causes Toxoplasmosis. Apparently, the food compounds are not totally digested in cat dropping. one reason dogs will eat cat droppings. I do not know if bobcat dropping falls in the same as house cat droppings. Heard this stated a few years ago too. Again...I'm using it as a lure...not eating it.
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Re: Droppings in lure
[Re: Lazarus]
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03/17/20 10:07 PM
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Yes sir
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Swamp Wolf I'm glad to hear your not eating it I personally wasn't to worried but I'm glad you cleared it up for anyone else. Your comment made me smile
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Re: Droppings in lure
[Re: Yes sir]
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03/18/20 09:46 AM
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Swamp Wolf I'm glad to hear your not eating it I personally wasn't to worried but I'm glad you cleared it up for anyone else. Your comment made me smile Yeah, I thought I would let everyone know that. I've never used critter scat or urine and worried about getting a disease from it. If trappers are worried about that then how in hades do you skin anything without being so worried you're urinating on yourself???
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Re: Droppings in lure
[Re: Jonesie]
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03/18/20 11:40 AM
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Bob hit it, the bacteria is the key and has to be stopped or it will keep changing. There are some ways to do it, I would think. Plus when dealing with cats there may be other, not good for the human bacterias unless killed. like Toxoplasma gondii (not sure of spelling) causes Toxoplasmosis. Apparently, the food compounds are not totally digested in cat dropping. one reason dogs will eat cat droppings. I do not know if bobcat dropping falls in the same as house cat droppings. I have hounds and I can tell you that they certainly like bobcat droppings. They will practically get into a fight over cat scat.
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Re: Droppings in lure
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03/20/20 03:17 AM
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I made a gallon last year, put a cup of s/b in it and after seasons end, still have over 1/2 the gallon and no mold. lol , good deal , you probably have 1/2 gallon of Dung with S,+ B, watery crap !!!
Last edited by lureintheanimal; 03/20/20 03:22 AM.
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