I like it when all the cards are on the table and I know the one talking is giving first hand information a lot gets skipped over on here by me

Yep, my 2Xs usually bring the best money as they have a lot less flaws in them than those big whoppers.

FHA just updated their website - it essentially says patience please given the extenuating circumstances they are operating under.

I don't think any of you that have been griping about valuations have any reading comprehension skills. Now your all repeating verbatim what I posted way back when I quit this stupid thread! There are like five of you that think trappers gotta know, and while I haven't posted, none have given one good reason WHY you need to know. The only aurgument is so you can tell before you ship for the next sale. I pointed out then, that you can see how your fur did before you ship, this year especially, which is the only thing it applies to because all of the whiners are old nafa shippers, other than dirt! Give me a break!

So we will NEVER know what the valuation was. Only what the fur sold for. FHA is saying they won't sell under the set valuation.
So why not reveal the valuation If you have nothing to hide.
It's like having your roof replaced. The first roofer tells me I don't know what It's going to cost before I'm done then I'll let you know. The other one gives me a bid he tells me cost of the tear off and the price of the material and the cost of labor to replace the shingles. Who do you think I'm going to pick to do the job.
I know the auction of fur Is a bit different but If I know the valuation It might just make me feel that I'm not being kept In the dark. And That might just keep me on board to ship again. If the buyer knows the valuation why shouldn't the producer. Being kept In the dark just makes one suspicious and I don't think that's a good business practice.

I THINK TRUST IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

In my opinion, FHA isn’t posting valuations for shippers to see is because they are already swamped with phone calls and emails from shippers about other things - account numbers, missing pelts, questions about castor, questions about grading, questions about sizing, the list goes on and on and on. The last thing they need is questions about valuations - why is it so low, why is this lot valued at more than that Lot, etc.

Just leave them alone and let them get this auction wrapped up.

Ok Beav - go ahead and blast away at what I’m posting........

If your in business that's the thing you have to deal with. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Like I said before trust Is in my opinion is a huge priority . In most cases It's going to make you or break you.
Myself and others use to trust NAFA now that trust Is gone with them. And know we are dealing with another auction house. So I think that most FHA shippers are a bit paranoid about this sale. Why not ease some of that paranoia?

I have never called FHA or NAFA (except when my fellow trappers requested I call about the Eagle River agent dingbat). If I want to talk to a wall, I got four on each side of me most days.

For all my comments I'm going to blame the whiskey. I'm out

I started shipping to NAFA in 1993, never been paranoid, send fur to FHA still not paranoid. Guys I know have fur up there are not paranoid, and just ask " how much they selling for?"

At this point,,,, IF would be the bigger question ,,,,, ? not how much.

You could have sold to Groenwold had your valuation right then

I gave several good reasons about 10 pages ago you just don’t want to hear them

If you want to drag him into this, why does he not put prices on his website?

One guy on the wilderness forum sold to Groeny's new Agent(NAFA's former) (former furbuyer) and Groeny's not even close to an option.

Yep, there are other options if you don't like the auction process. With Groenwold you get to set your own valuation. Then if the offer doesn't exceed it you get to choose........, "buy back" or "fire sale"!

I would roll the dice before selling in the country. In fact by the time I was done with my coon Wiebke wouldn't look at them and Groney was at a 5 dollar average.

Rather than get an ulcer over not knowing the valuation of your fur, or worrying about being cheated by FHA ,why not just sell it to another buyer for cash?

[quote With Groenwold you get to set your own valuation. Then if the offer doesn't exceed it you get to choose........, "buy back" or "fire sale"!][/quote]

Yeah, how often does that happen...? How many guys walk up to the truck and say, " I want this for that, etc. etc. etc." Or after they're done sorting and ready to write up the ticket, a trapper says, 'wait, I'm not taking that for this"? I'll lay money its probably 80% or more that lay down their fur, get their check, and then go down the list to see how well they did. Ok, back up a step, the GFW guy will say out the tally but it takes pretty fast figuring to determine an average for say a particular species, that's why they do the pile method in the first place. Only after looking at the slip on the way back to the truck, do most guys say, "oh, that middle pile of coon is pretty close what the average was for those critters."

At least with NAFA, you could maybe hear some real bidding on your item or crickets while it was up and went back on to private treaty sale.This year, the GFW sellers who went early probably did alright given the craziness the world has descended to in the last 2-3 months. And I hope this auction works for FHA and guys are generally ok with it. Things are pretty ugly out there and probably won't be much better (with lots of surpluses to move through the pipeline) next fall...

Well thats my point. How often have you heard "if you don't like his offer you can take your fur back"? Then what?

I'm not here to teach, I'm here to BS.

P.S. Boco can explain options, if he wants.