Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
[Re: loosegoose]
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Um.......Bass10 are you feeling okay, man? I've never advocated for a right to shoot people, I'm not sure where that's coming from. That's just bizarre, and a strawman argument that's too strange to even attempt to get in to.
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Gathering together when there is a virus spreading at an incredible rate that kills people and theres no way of knowing who has it is ABSOLUTELY equal to spraying a crowd with bullets, it may kill them or it may not if you had any COMMON SENSE you would understand that. But since you're stuck on it isn't in the constitution you think you have the right to go ahead and do it. We wouldn't even have to have laws if everybody had COMMON SENSE but it's obvious you are WHY there has to be laws. What you are doing by gathering is killing people in the name of religion just like some other counties in the middle east. Us TRUE Christians put the safety of our constituents before whether we think it's our right because the constitution says so now they'll have to make another law for you! Who'd I kill?
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Yeh I guess the point I was trying to make is how do you pick and choose what laws or rules the government puts in place are against your rights? My wife just told me they’re going to put more restrictions on how many people they’re allowing in a super market at one time, there they go again it should be the stores right to let a couple hundred a time in their stores!
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Listening to a constitutional lawyer speak on this right now.
Outside these guidelines just making sense and helping everyone to be a good neighbor and protect lives.
This is constitutional! In a nut shell for two reasons:. 1. It's temporary 2. It's being applied equally to everyone
Where it will become unconditional is when it becomes permanent or is not applied equally.
Deblosio is trying to permanently shut down churches! That is unconstitutional!! They are letting criminals out while fining or jailing other citizens for not complieng with guidelines (such as this pastor in question). That promotes inequality and is unconstitutional!
So... If criminals are being released due to virus and you are put in jail because of the virus!? You have a law suit! That's nonsense. By that logic, it'd be constitutional to confiscate all guns, as long as it's temporary and it's applied equally to everyone. Plain and simple, there is no way that your rights can be suspended or infringed upon just because there's a crisis. It just doesn't work that way. And certainly not by royal decree. Didn't say I understood it. But I do trust the source. And again It's happened before
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Its simple bass10. Read the constitution. Anything the constitution says the government can not do then they are not allowed to pass a law, or issue a decree, saying otherwise. The means to amend the constitution are in the constitution.
Lincoln issued a proclamation. He called it the emancipation proclamation. The whole thing was hot air. They had to change the constitution 3 years later to free slaves. If you believe the lie you were taught in Jr High history class you need to do a little research.
Proclamations, executive orders, or whatever else they want to call them, can not create a new law today anymore than they could 150 years ago. Especially if they violate what has been laid out in the constitution.
Saying the first amendment can be temporarily suspended for the greater good is so ridiculous I cant believe how many are agreeing that it is ok.
It was for the greater good that the Louisiana governor and the mayor of New Orleans had cops and National Guard confiscating firearms after Katrina
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I'm with ya Danny. I'm for the constitution when it's my savior on gun issues, and I'm also for it when it might kill me as in this case.
These guys can call us ignorant of whatever, I don't care. I hear ya! But I do believe govt can constitutionaly act in this way temporarily if need be. One of their jobs is to protect the nation and it's borders as a whole. But I'm sure it's a fine line to be towed!
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I'm with ya Danny. I'm for the constitution when it's my savior on gun issues, and I'm also for it when it might kill me as in this case.
These guys can call us ignorant of whatever, I don't care. I hear ya! But I do believe govt can constitutionaly act in this way temporarily if need be. One of their jobs is to protect the nation and it's borders as a whole. But I'm sure it's a fine line to be towed! Then when they have some catastrophe and they say you need to hand your guns over, your ok with that?
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I'm a simple person as most here would agree. It's either against the constitution or it isnt. If we allow one to be broken, it's only a matter of time until well allow all them to be broken.
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I'm a simple person as most here would agree. It's either against the constitution of it isnt. If we allow one to be broken, it's only a matter of ti.e until well allow all them to be broken. That's what Abe said today. A temporary stay home order isn't against the Constitution. A punishment for the temperary stay at home order might be unconstitutional!? That why they say "guidelines". What is really being questioned is that some govenors are implementing punishment.
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