I suggest you read the post above yours. Might help some.

He said he wouldnt trade it for "a little temporary safety".
In other words he implies that he would trade it for a lot of permanent safety.

Thank you White, that was an interesting read. Seems this has been a hot topic for the entirety of our country's existence. There was a lot of double talk in parts of the read, but it does appear that quarantine has always been an acceptable tool to use during times of disease. I will admit part of my argument is wrong in the eyes of the law, but I will stand behind my thoughts that freedom should not be taken lightly and worth fighting for.

I agree with you Andrew but the bottom line is THE LAW IS THE LAW ! At least for me The good of the community takes precedence at times like this

Yes, I think good of community is important. I also think individual liberty is important. I just hope and pray that these folks in charge don't try to take it to far, give an inch take a mile kind of thing. I believe a lot of the folks in positions of power would abuse that extra power they are given in a time like this, makes it hard to give that inch.
As I read the link you provided, I was thinking I sure hope these idiots don't try taking away our other rights. If they decided guns are an epidemic, what is to stop them from dropping the 2nd for good of community? At what point do we say enough is enough?

FL made churches exempt now they can infect each other all they want now, go for it!

Did i hear right , virgina is now telling retailers , grocery stores , to ban all sales of non essential goods ? Who determines this ? I need my morning fix , blue full throtle

We are on the same page. Gun: the ownership, possession and carrying thereof are NOT a threat to the general population. Of course the Democrats will try to present it as such but we all know it is irrelevant....as do the courts.

Remember that firearms have been determined to be
"essential"

Yes. Firearms are not even in the same logical subject as a new viral contagious pathogen that can infect many asymptomatically, as well as living for hours or days on varied surfaces. Completely different realms in intelligent thought .

Good link, one that made me seek more info!

I found out that is 100% right for things such as war declared and a couple other things, including pandemics. So what I've been thinking was wrong.

Here's the proverbial but! Lol.
I was schooled on some lawyer terms such as "on its face" and "as applied" and if it's implemented at the Federal, State or Local level.
Paraphrasing what I understood, on its face the constitution provides for the shutdown. As applied, this instance might not be constitutional. I took that as, yes they have the power to close churches if it's done correctly, this may not have been based on technicalities.

Then we talked some about the second and how "regulations" skirt the constitution in the same manner, good for society and under times of distress. Don't think guns are totally off limits and unrelated in any way. Think N.O. and Katrina with the fact that lawsuits didn't go very far.

To avoid lawsuits mainly because governments are not calling for a complete shutdown, they are allowing gun shops and now churches to follow the same rules as other essential entities. Even Florida backed up half a step, The "as applied" argument being addressed.I


So, on its face, constitutional. As applied, maybe not so much. Typical lawyers, no definitive answer, lol.

Interesting discussion came from this!

"The good of the community takes precedence at times like this"

" I also think individual liberty is important. "


It seems, this is what we are fighting here.... The question? When does individual liberty trumps community, and vice versa. when and where do you draw the line?

It seems that the "Love thy neighbor as thyself" doesn't mean kill your neighbor in Jesus' name.

Its my belief that the constitution was not written for lawyers. The language in it is simple and easy to understand. It is lawyers that are always muddying the water. If our government should have authority to suspend the constitution, then an amendment needs to be made giving them that authority and clearly defining when it is appropriate.

Yes have a byline in there that the government can change things to protect stupid people from their stupid acts, just in the name of their right!

You really should have wrote it like this...The government can change things to protect wise people from stupid people and their stupid acts in the name of public safety.

They already have done that.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.
The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

I know it is hard for some to grip but it is the law and has been for a long time. It will not be permanent since this has happened in the past and a few months ago you had all the civil liberties you speak of. I don't want to see liberty infringed and as a Christian I feel strongly about fellowship. Having said that I know that I as a Christian am commanded to follow authority given to man by my creator. A conflict that is real for a Christian. Do we forsake the fellowship or go against authority. Right now it is wise not to meet in our usual manner. It is the way we have to do to truly show love for our neighbor and not take a chance of giving each other a disease that could kill them. It is my right to pick up a poisonous snake but it is not wise. It also goes against Mathew 4:5,6 LLL

I know it gives comfort to some timid folks that the government will take care of them. Commerce clause does not however provide authority to suspend the bill of rights with the general welfare language. So why not make all those timid people happier with an amendment giving specifics on on why and what, and when, the bill of rights can be suspended? It will make it constitutional to care for people who do not want to accept responsibility for their own well being.

That is really unfair. Our church fed a bunch of kids on Wednesday evening's but since we can't meet that mission is severely diminished.
I've come to the conclusion that in times of quarantine it's perfectly okay to gather to work(serve money) but not okay to gather to serve God.

J, I don't see it like that. The normal routine is altered, not the missionary acts. Why not take the meals to the homes of these kids and leave them on the porch? I know people that have to get their temp taken before they start their shift, and other things that they never had to do before. The people out their working are keeping the lights on for all of us and are heroes in my book. Yes, you have to adjust your normal routine, doesn't mean you can't continue your outreach.

They have changed nothing at my work. No temps taken...nothing different. We do take sack lunches to those kids who request them but since us younger folk are essential it falls on the retired to deliver. Kinda ironic that the most vulnerable have to take the reins.

It seems it is always an I issue with you danny. Me Me Me. What about me. Shameful outlook really. You were probably in the service for your own betterment also not to provide for the common defense. You have shown your true colors and hid behind liberty. Sad.

If you think I need government to provide anything for me you are nuts. I have enough canned food from last years garden to last well past when my 150'x150' garden produces again. That food I prepped well before corona came around. I donate bushels of produce every year to our church members as well as a homeless shelter a few blocks from the garden. I am self employed and pay more taxes than you could fathom. Nope not depending on no one. LLL