They have changed nothing at my work. No temps taken...nothing different. We do take sack lunches to those kids who request them but since us younger folk are essential it falls on the retired to deliver. Kinda ironic that the most vulnerable have to take the reins.

Our system of government is very ugly and inefficient because it requires a constant power struggle between the government and the people. The state has upheld its immediate obligation to promote the public good for a number of very good reasons by shutting down the church and arresting the pastor. I can accept this on some level as a necessary evil given the current situation. But, in the end, this must be challenged and ruled unconstitutional to avoid further erosion of constitutional rights. Claiming this is ok because a law was passed, does not explain the tens of thousands of laws that have been overturned because they are unconstitutional (including may gun laws). It is messy, but the process can find balance between individual rights and the immediate common good provided the people resist government overreach.

Sooner or later we will return to the elections. You may find yourself shaking your head in disbelief that a socialist is running for president. You may ask yourself "how is this possible?" That answer is staring you in the face right now. In the coming decades Corona virus will be used as a case study in class rooms. It will not be a lesson in American freedom or unity. It will provide a very clear example of how individual rights pose a threat to community health. It will provide an example of how a strong, centralized government is most capable of protecting you. The net result of these lessons will be constitutional republic bad, socialism good.

Its not 1918 any more. The very subtle but dangerous difference is computer modeling. The 1918 quarantines were based on things that had already happened. Corona virus response has been based on projections of what may happen. One indisputable lesson from 1918 is that the sooner the quarantines were put in place the more effective the outcome. With computer modeling we can quarantine before an outbreak occurs. On its face this is a good thing. But consider climate change. A large amount of legislation has been passed to prevent computer model predictions from coming true. In some cases the models have proven to be wrong, yet the laws remain. It is a sort of pre-crime scenario and we are on the verge of applying to public health.

Before you dismiss the above as mindless babble consider this: In 2018 congress approved and provided funding for the CDC to study gun violence. I reasonably assume this study will include computer models and I suspect there will be clear evidence to proclaim a gun violence epidemic. When this happens, the very same arguments against the church will be used against gun owners. On top of this, Corona virus will play heavy on public perception. It is very likely that current events are setting the precedent by which the CDC's recommendations on gun violence are given the force of law.

Just to clear the air, I had quit posting anything as some of y'all are incapable or unwilling to understand what liberty is. I do not in the slightest believe that I was or am wrong. I nor Danny that I can recall ever said we should all go to church or gather in large groups, only that we should not have the right to do so, or any other rights for that matter stripped away. Now I will agree to disagree and probably not post anymore on this topic, appreciate if you don't take it as anything other that I am done.

I would like to thank the person that posted this quote. Hope you don't mind me using it, will saves me from butchering it again.

My uncle died this morning and I guess I want be able, because of virus, to attend his funeral. The ironic thing is that he was a retired preacher.
Now if you need cabinets built it's all good. We know corona is not allowed to spread in the work place.

Religious folks in general, but especially Christians, face a unique dilemma with this situation...

The new testament makes it quite plain that Christians are to submit themselves to the laws and leaders of the land.

Romans 13: 1-7

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

Even Jesus himself alluded to it in Luke 20:25 He said to them, "Then render the things to ceasar that are ceasar's..."

But he also qualified by ending with... "and to God the things that are God's..."

And Acts 5:29 also references this... "But Peter and the apostles answered, We must obey God rather than men."

We must obey our leaders and laws. But what is the supreme law of the land? The very law that binds our president and legislature? What is the framework that they operate on?

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It has the final say on whether or not something is lawful or unlawful.

So either the Constitution is the supreme law of our land. Or it isn't.

You either have inalienable rights... Or you don't. If you don't, your rights are subject to the whims of "ceasar" as he sees fit.

If you're willing to set aside constitutional rights because "times are bad" or "this is different" then that means the Constitution never really meant what it said to begin with and we should just dispense with it and be done.

And if you identify as a Christian in any way, shape, or form and you choose to call out someone for defying the mandate to stop attending services, you need to do some studying. Plain and simple.

Mike

Yup

While we are comparing this to taking guns. How about we also compare this to guns in the sense that if you don't adhere to the guidelines and run around thinking the world revolves around you and you alone? That that action by you would be the same as running around with your gun shooting people!

Also

We wouldn't need such guidelines if just half of us had some coming sense and a little respect for others and their well being!

It’s your right to not go to work. Nobody is forcing you!

Really sorry for your loss J. May he RIP

I’ll play...where in the Bible does it say to kill? Let’s say everyone in church is virus free except you, but you don’t show any signs, yet you infect the entire congregation and everyone else dies...you just killed everyone there. Show me in the Bible where God said that’s acceptable.

My God gave me common sense...

Mike, what is being suspended? Do you not believe in what has been shown, Congress, SCOTUS etc.

So because SCOTUS made a decision that makes it OK?

How about Dred Scott, Buck vs Bell, Plessy vs Ferguson, etc...? Were those all sound decisions by SCOTUS?

Mike