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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837392
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I donít believe itís practical to demagnetize foothold. We already have enough that have a low intensity that can be measured. We have the tools magnetometer and methods Needed to improve our ability to catch. If you were to demagnetize body grips, snares, and especially cage traps it would actually probably hurt your ability to catch.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: white marlin] #6837402
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Originally Posted by white marlin
I bought your book when it first came out, and it's intriguing.

I'll have to read it again!
Please read all of the book is very important that you understand the second half in order to really thoroughly understand the first half.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837493
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I'm a bit confused. First the magnetic field thing is bad for your catch rate but If you demagnetize your traps It's also bad for your catch rate.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837520
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So if I am catching 300 plus coyotes a year in Alabama every year with a MB -550 = IT MUST be the right trap? I use Formula 1 trap coating, and stake most all of my traps

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837539
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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6837547
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
So if I am catching 300 plus coyotes a year in Alabama every year with a MB -550 = IT MUST be the right trap? I use Formula 1 trap coating, and stake most all of my traps
The information will just help you to determine what is the best set to make and what might be the best trap to use. It will help you understand why the animals responding the way that it is.How well you use the information is up to you.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6837555
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
So if I am catching 300 plus coyotes a year in Alabama every year with a MB -550 = IT MUST be the right trap? I use Formula 1 trap coating, and stake most all of my traps

If your running 150 traps for 300 days of the year there could be room for improvement.....

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837568
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With cage traps set on land or in shallow water it is more absolute. The cage trap that youíre using should have a reduce intensity below the average for the earth going all the way through the trap. If you have one trap that has a high intensity going all the way through the trap, the low intensity trap overall will have a better catch rate.As much as 4 or 5 times greater than the high intensity trap. This is when youíre trapping animals that can sense the magnetic field of the trap. Beaver, Otter,Red fox, and other animals that can sense the magnetic field.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837581
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Kirk, what would be a high reading and a low reading example in a cage trap?


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Jonesie] #6837600
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Originally Posted by Jonesie
Kirk, what would be a high reading and a low reading example in a cage trap?

The average of the field of the earth where I live is 46 to 47. The beaver traps I use that are most effective and meet the criteria go from 46 down to 18 in the center of the trap back out to 46 on the other end. A high intensity trap would be one that would start at the door at 60 or more and maintain that or donít go down all the way through the trap. A high-intensity trap could be one that is low at the door and high in the middle. Most most of the high intensity traps that I tested were 70 or more at the door and 50 or 60 or more in the middle.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837605
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Jonesey it didnít matter what trap design are used the results were the same. The wider and taller traps in the water traps with low intensity readings were the most effective. They all could be sitting in or under the water.Underwater sets has made no difference in the ability to catch or at least not very much

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: The Beav] #6837614
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I'm a bit confused. First the magnetic field thing is bad for your catch rate but If you demagnetize your traps It's also bad for your catch rate.
You havenít read the book. Depending on how the trap is made how the snare is set the steel used determines whether the animal wants to go through the trap or not or is willing to go through the trap. With the cage trap by using the correct method the trap Or device reduces the need for the animal to go around. In a cage trap it actually forms OK tunnel it safe to go through


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837620
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If one trap is copied from another trap ,They will have almost identical magnetic field readings.If not itís not a full copy.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837636
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so what you find is say a 1/2 by 1 mesh 12x12 that is 30 long would be the same as a 1 by 2 mesh 12x12 30 long. in other words the increased wire mesh would not increase the magnetic readings. the increased numbers would come from other causes.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Jonesie] #6837642
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Originally Posted by Jonesie
so what you find is say a 1/2 by 1 mesh 12x12 that is 30 long would be the same as a 1 by 2 mesh 12x12 30 long.
I havenít tested enough one by Two to give you results. I have one by one and they are both The same.Half by one and one by one are the same. They have the same test results

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837649
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Jonesey this is gonna be a real eye opener for you.If you havenít been doing this or be aware of this.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Yes sir] #6837676
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by steeltraps
So if I am catching 300 plus coyotes a year in Alabama every year with a MB -550 = IT MUST be the right trap? I use Formula 1 trap coating, and stake most all of my traps

If your running 150 traps for 300 days of the year there could be room for improvement.....

Ran about 240 days of traps this year. For coyotes. Hogs the rest of the time in Bull Creek traps. Caught between 350-400 hogs in about 3 months worth of trapping. Don't always run 150 traps , but I run large places. No jobs this year under 4000 acres . SO I will say 125 traps per job would be about average.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6837781
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1) Why are you adverse to such studies as double blind studies of your premise of magnetism of a trap affecting catch rates?
2) Why are you adverse to studying the demagnetizing of traps?
I find it difficult not to be skeptical when I see an aversion to using the scientific method to move a hypothesis to a theory, then to scientific fact.
I also find it troubling when there is aversion to nearly any and all suggestions which are not in "the book". It would be refreshing to see a straight discussion rather than referring everyone to read "the book".
In conclusion, I am not a 'magnetism denier', any more than I am a Global Climate Warming Change denier., but without science, I am not a buyer of either.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: 52Carl] #6837841
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
1) Why are you adverse to such studies as double blind studies of your premise of magnetism of a trap affecting catch rates?
2) Why are you adverse to studying the demagnetizing of traps?
I find it difficult not to be skeptical when I see an aversion to using the scientific method to move a hypothesis to a theory, then to scientific fact.
I also find it troubling when there is aversion to nearly any and all suggestions which are not in "the book". It would be refreshing to see a straight discussion rather than referring everyone to read "the book".
In conclusion, I am not a 'magnetism denier', any more than I am a Global Climate Warming Change denier., but without science, I am not a buyer of either.
Run whatever scientific study you want. I have given imformation enough from all the post that Iíve done on trapperman to do what you need to do. At least the basics that I know.Iím sure we would all like to know. Iím sorry I couldnít reach your criteria.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6838268
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I am not a believer yet but not a na sayer either. And since I set cages and snares every day in my job for raccoons, groundhogs, skunks, and squirrels, I can investigate it a little more. Just so I have my bearings right, I take a reading of the area, then take the reading of the traps and or snares in place. Keep track and see where it goes. But I can honestly say there are not many cage traps and snares I set that does not make a catch within 3 days. But I do have 2 jobs right now where the female squirrels are avoiding the traps. So I will take readings on these traps and see. I also realize the animals mentioned may not be affected by magnetic fields. I have read enough on the post to at least make me intrigued to the theory. I have learned that to be able to prove something does not work, I first have to do everything I can to prove it does work. This mindset has many times shown me that things folks say do not work, do in fact work when the effort is applied.


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