Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Rat Masterson]
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04/14/20 03:26 PM
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So if a person had terminal cancer and they had 3 months to live and died in 3 months and it was discovered they had the virus what killed them? The virus. That is how it is being recorded now.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Boco]
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04/14/20 05:02 PM
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People can believe whatever they want (based on who knows what source) personally I will believe the certified medical professionals before I will believe the blowhards on fox or cnn news. And your lawyer gobbldygook cant cloud the fact that the analogy is identical in cause and affect. And I will clarify-all the doctors that have been asked here in the media as well as my own doctor whom I asked personally. And in addition to his many other Talents, BOCO is also a Coroner !!! w
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: pcr2]
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04/14/20 05:24 PM
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PAGING DR.BOCO,......Dr.Boco to emergency surgery please... Boco is stuck at the boarder and cant come down south. Can someone pull up that youtube interview with the Minn Senator who is a Dr and his dispute what the Health Dept told them to put on the Death Certificates this should really cloud up the topic.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Lazarus]
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04/14/20 07:23 PM
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Walleye:
What you say is 100% consistent with the information that I've received from two medical doctor friends of mine -- one from my state and one from a neighboring state. Their protocol, in lay terms is, if the patient exhibited certain symptoms, it gets chalked up to the virus -- because they don't have time/resources to chase down the sole, singular cause. And while it may sound callous to appear "nit picky" over causes of death, I don't give a lot of credence to numbers reported by a media that has a vested interest in fulfilling their own recent doomsday prophecies. That is why the only way to know actual impacts is to compare total mortality now with Covid, to total mortality before without Covid. It was reported in New York that mortality from more "normal" causes has declined since Covid numbers are up. This would indicate some rate of compensatory mortality is occurring. It would be an easy statistic to track and report and would eliminate the uncertainties of accurately determining the primary cause of death.
Last edited by walleye101; 04/14/20 07:24 PM.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: bblwi]
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04/14/20 08:13 PM
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I’ve beat this to death on other posts. I’ve seen both spectrums. I’ve seen physicians on the extreme of everyone needs to be in a bunker for six months. These type of physicians seem to be physicians around patients that are generally heathy populations (OBGYN) etc. The majority of the physicians I’ve spoken to pulmonologists, ER physicians, internal medicine physicians, etc. are turning towards it’s time to let these restrictions ease. There’s too much evidence that the mortality rate is being grossly exaggerated and the virus is being sensationalized by your friend the media.
I’m not going to go out and look for evidence for you. It’s all out there. I will give one example. A person presents to the hospital. Suffers a motor vehicle accident which damages organs. They are unable to be saved after a few days of treatment. They test positive for Covid. That ICD-10 code is attached to their medical record. Contributor to death is Covid. Would you consider that a legit death from Covid? I’m with Tracy there’s a big difference.
The CDC has clearly stated their views. Along with their stance on presumptive positives before testing was available. The thing I find amazing is Trapperman is the last place I thought I would find a population of people ready to lay down their personal rights to the government out of fear.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: bblwi]
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04/14/20 08:36 PM
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NYC mayor added 3500 covid deaths to the #'s without testing those dead people because he felt like they died from kung flu....
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: oneoldboot]
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04/14/20 08:37 PM
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If a fellow dies of heart failure due to an overwhelming bacterial infection that was cause by being stuck with a manure laden pitch fork, what killed him?
heart failure
Infection
Pitch fork
? It does not matter if you are looking at changes in total mortality! I give up.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: bblwi]
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04/14/20 08:37 PM
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Skydiver jumped from a plane with no chute, they tested the puddle.....death from kung flu.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: bblwi]
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04/14/20 08:52 PM
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So.... let's take an example of a New York stock broker. He's pretty stressed out and knows he's gonna go broke and then some. He decides it's time to jump off the Empire State Building and just end it all but first he sparks a big 'ol fatty and really hits it good and then leaps to his demise. About half way down he begins a loud coughing fit and several people witness the whole thing including a police officer and 2 Chinese doctors. They decide they better check him for the CCP virus. Sure enough he shows positive. Now how would they list the cause of death. Oh ya and he was from Mexico and didn't have a Green Card.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: bblwi]
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04/14/20 09:43 PM
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You guys can go out and play in the street--I will do my best to keep my wife and I from getting infected,and that's avoiding you guys playing in the street. Hope you don't get hit by a car. Tom
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: Bogmaster]
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04/14/20 10:22 PM
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You guys can go out and play in the street--I will do my best to keep my wife and I from getting infected,and that's avoiding you guys playing in the street. Hope you don't get hit by a car. Tom They won't; trafffic is way down. Lucky for me, since it is hard to find a restroom open.
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Re: worldwide COVID 19 cases and deaths
[Re: coytrapper]
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04/14/20 10:56 PM
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Make america great. Trump has you guy's in first place and running away with this I can see why,lol.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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