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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: The Beav] #6879352
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Originally Posted by The Beav
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You would have to be just plain stupid or on something to go un- armed against someone with a gun.
If whats His name would have backed off he would be alive today and home with his family. Most of us would take that over being dead.

And you know this how?
So if you are out and someone comes at you with a gun, your defense is to hope and pray they donít shoot? Sorry, wasnít raised that way.
Short story...out hunting (with permission) and a guy drives up (Drunk) with a gun and dog. Things escalate, dog attacks at urging of drunk guy with gun, dog dies, drunk guy and I are now both armed and drunk guy realizes Iím not backing down and lowers weapon.
In the end the owner didnít tell worker I was on property...owner ends up firing guy for being drunk and I lose my recent permission...squirrel hunting.
Now, if I wasnít armed, how might that have turned out?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Lugnut] #6879363
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
He was killed because he attacked the guy attempting to make the citizen's arrest.

Both men had the right to stand your ground, whte guy had no more right then the black guy. The arresting man could have just followed and call police. Let professionals handle it. Dad in truck was retired cop, shooter was not. Jogger presumed innocent by law, thought he was being attacked, so defending himself was what anyone would do. BUT, in the south if you black your guilty until proven otherwise. Had the color of these people been other way around, then the black guy would have been just as wrong. Best for concerned citizens to report it to cops. No winners here.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879368
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As far as legality of citizens arrest is concerned.When working in retail mgmt.,I made over 2,000 citizens arrests of shop lifters--never once did I have to appear in court.
Tom


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879370
05/22/20 02:45 PM
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it was part of your job to arrest shoplifters this was not there job they should have called the police but they didn't because under Georgia law he had not broken a law. If he had why weren't all the other people seen going into the building been arrested or chased by the cops or by these two guys?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Taximan] #6879371
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Originally Posted by Taximan
I have too many questions on this one.It may have been innocent or the jogger may have been casing the house.He shouldn't have been trespassing.Asking for trouble.

Deciding to handle it yourself,with firearms can lead to all kinds of liability,and it did.They may have been in touch with police,the entire time or not.I haven't heard.Last I heard the videographer was also arrested.There again,was he involved with the other two?I am not sure they have released that.

So,too many questions for me to draw any conclusions but a sad situation and seems at least there was some bad judgement,all the way around.And of course,the news will make the best of it for whatever their particular agenda is.There probably is plenty of reason to keep a lot of information close the the vest till cases are built.This may get messier.Glad I was nowhere near.


The local police had asked the McMicheals to keep an eye out for the guy and refered the property owner, English, and the neighbor with the camera to contact the McMicheals.
From where I sit with the information available to me it looks like an open and shut case of death by self imposed stupidity on Aubrey's part. However they may be information I'm not aware of.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879378
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Why did the police tell a private citizen to get hold of another private citizen to handle a police matter?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879381
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He was a retired cop that lived across the street maybe .

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879384
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He did not live across the street and also he was such a good cop he couldn't pass the test for his last few years to carry a gun. Also at the time he wasn't a cop and his son had never been one.

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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Trapper Don] #6879388
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Originally Posted by Trapper Don
Originally Posted by Lugnut
He was killed because he attacked the guy attempting to make the citizen's arrest.

Both men had the right to stand your ground, whte guy had no more right then the black guy. The arresting man could have just followed and call police. Let professionals handle it. Dad in truck was retired cop, shooter was not. Jogger presumed innocent by law, thought he was being attacked, so defending himself was what anyone would do. BUT, in the south if you black your guilty until proven otherwise. Had the color of these people been other way around, then the black guy would have been just as wrong. Best for concerned citizens to report it to cops. No winners here.


There was a lot of stupidity here on both sides. The two redneck Barney Fifes had no business trying to detain this guy. The "jogger" was stupid to attack a guy holding a shotgun on him while a second man covered him although I don't know what they said to him that may have provoked the attack.

As quoted above; He was killed because he attacked the guy attempting to make the citizen's arrest. If the "jogger" had simply waited for the cops to show up, he'd likely be alive. He might even be looking at a big payment from a civil lawsuit against the two redneck Fifes and the police department that apparently "unofficially" deputized at least one of them.



Eh...wot?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879389
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Lugnut pretty much the way I see it.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879419
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Now they arrested the guy who taped them. Guess they think he should've stopped the two idiots from killing the guy.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879470
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They arrested the guy doing the filming because he started following him in his car and was trying to cut him off and never called police during the chase.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879474
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I donít think anyone is changing their opinions.

Just post how you would vote if you were a juror.


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Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879478
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Originally Posted by Lugnut


There was a lot of stupidity here on both sides. The two redneck Barney Fifes had no business trying to detain this guy. The "jogger" was stupid to attack a guy holding a shotgun on him while a second man covered him although I don't know what they said to him that may have provoked the attack.

As quoted above; He was killed because he attacked the guy attempting to make the citizen's arrest. If the "jogger" had simply waited for the cops to show up, he'd likely be alive. He might even be looking at a big payment from a civil lawsuit against the two redneck Fifes and the police department that apparently "unofficially" deputized at least one of them.



How do you know these two were "redneck barney fifes"? Or do you regularly use racial slurs? You might as well have said n****r.

But it's all okay if they're white, southern and male.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6879480
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít think anyone is changing their opinions.

Just post how you would vote if you were a juror.



Based on what I've seen so far (but I admit I may not know all the facts yet) I'd vote not guilty and order the county to reimburse these guys for their time lost and ammo used.

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At this point based on Georgia law . guilty

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: rex123] #6879505
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Originally Posted by rex123
At this point based on Georgia law . guilty


And this is exactly why these three guys are in jail awaiting trial and going months withou charges filed.

The locall know the facts and the law.
Out of state SJW don't.

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: warrior] #6879509
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Lugnut


There was a lot of stupidity here on both sides. The two redneck Barney Fifes had no business trying to detain this guy. The "jogger" was stupid to attack a guy holding a shotgun on him while a second man covered him although I don't know what they said to him that may have provoked the attack.

As quoted above; He was killed because he attacked the guy attempting to make the citizen's arrest. If the "jogger" had simply waited for the cops to show up, he'd likely be alive. He might even be looking at a big payment from a civil lawsuit against the two redneck Fifes and the police department that apparently "unofficially" deputized at least one of them.



How do you know these two were "redneck barney fifes"? Or do you regularly use racial slurs? You might as well have said n****r.

But it's all okay if they're white, southern and male.


How do you figure that for a racial slur? And my opinion has nothing to do with them being from the south.


Eh...wot?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Boco] #6879511
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Have you looked up the law? Got nothing to do with the good old boy system?

Re: Citizens Arrest. [Re: Bogmaster] #6879513
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít think anyone is changing their opinions.

Just post how you would vote if you were a juror.



Based on what I've seen so far (but I admit I may not know all the facts yet) I'd vote not guilty and order the county to reimburse these guys for their time lost and ammo used.


Based on what I know and what I have so far heard I would have to vote guilty not sure about the guy who was video taping it

Even if the police asked them to keep an eye out for the guy it did not give them the right to chase him down and hold him at gun point, like I said they screwed up big time


Originally Posted by Bogmaster
As far as legality of citizens arrest is concerned.When working in retail mgmt.,I made over 2,000 citizens arrests of shop lifters--never once did I have to appear in court.
Tom


Tom I bet all of them were apprehended on the premises though, I will also bet that if you had chased them down after they had left the premises and then held them at gun point it would be a very different story, and if you did it days after they had done anything criminal even if they were back at the scene you would have been arrested yourself





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