Red you’ve got my full attention, I really like Zaggers method I’ve just had to modify it to my conditions .

That is a generous offer.Red knows of what he speaks.

Your never too old to learn a new thing , especially when it comes to trapping.

That's a fact.. That's the magic.

If you guys want to change just open the hole or close it to fit anything
Oh sorry that's a Harris lololololol
No such thing as a dead spot garrenttee to look better,,,, or at least as handsome as me .

Red, what’s your thoughts on that big iron? Pan tension?

Furnace filters are cheap and I get a bunch out of everyone.

As to the post above about stuff under the pan freezing, furnace filters won't freeze because they won't absorb water. If have a piece, soak it in water, then put in your freezer for a couple of hours, then press down on it with your finger and you'll see what I mean.

Archeryguy , when the hole fills with water and the temp drops before all the water is gone , the only thing left is the ice under the pan in and amongst the filter, fiberglass, poly .....


Red that’s a good looking setup ! But it s a royal pain trying to get that type of deal to work on an mb 650 with both jaws locked down .

I understand what you all are saying about using screen under the jaws . Once you’ve tried it with an mb 650 you will see why I’ve cut mine to fit inside the the jaws .

That's true if there's somewhere for the water to go. Around here if you're not in sand, it takes a long time for beds to drain out in the clay after summers over. You might as well of dug a well as it will keep filling. It was so bad last year I could watch the hole fill up after emptying before getting the trap back in. I try not to put sets in spots where that won't happen but when the spot is the spot...

True, nothing will work if the trap bed fills with water and freezes solid.

Worked pretty good for me bedding in waxed dirt. Lots of wet muddy freeze/thaw days.

Heavy I will use these traps once snow is on the ground in places wolves and coyotes are at.
Pan tension can be got,,, to where it will not keep set with some polishing ,,, and is a true no dead spot trap.
And has 5.5 out ready to order I believe also.
I bought 12 with just a number stamped no trade mark.
I like monty pan set up used it to long to change now .

Thanks, did you spot weld those j hooks...wolves?

Hmmm apparently not on that 1 lol

If I get to skinny with the wax dirt I will get freeze up from under the pan also ,with wire screen. Imo nothing bullet proof.
But I use wire screen it's easy fast for my equipment and I use less material to cover a trap ,,,and I like nothing under a pan I sleep better.

The killer with anything is that popular low spot over the pan. With wax dirt if ya do it right the water runs off. Even then you'll have conditions that will kill ya. Ice storms for one. Thanks to Red I no longer use a low spot, in fact it seems my catch rate went up when all is level. Put the trap were there gonna naturally step and there's no need for it.

Weather is the great equalizer Gary

Yep very true statement ..

Here's what I did with my screen pan covers last year. Norm Mullins showed some of us this last fall at Minktoberfest. He said it is an old Idea - glad he brought it up. Just cut two slits in the wire cover and slide it on the pan. I used the screen this and sprinkle grass over the trap and it worked. Our dirt is mostly clay and as you can see this trap is bedded in other than perfect conditions...Grass clipping lay real flat across this. I'm calling it the Mulliins modification- Thanks Norm!

I have a few longsprings and I think I"ll try the furnace filter. My longsprings have the original pans on them so they don't stay set reliably with the screen. Some of the old books and articles I have read mention cloth pan covers cut out of old denim and some other things under the pan. I am going to use them early before the rain / freeze things hits us again.