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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: The Beav] #6904512
06/19/20 08:50 PM
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[quote=The Beav]You can't use BGs when trapping chucks?
A 160 RBG with only one spring with a spike for the rivet stuck In the den entrance and a rod shoved through the spring and your good to go. 2 min tops.

But your absolutely right by doing what ever suits the situation.[quote]

No Beav, no foot traps and no BG's above the surface of the water.

Teacher, Mogans Fox are nice looking But he has the ugliest coon in the world LOL


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6909869
06/24/20 11:14 PM
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I’ve walked the salt marshes or “meadows” as they’re called in New Jersey. The grass is tall, the mud substantial and I went right up to my hip stepping through an unforeseen rat run beneath the grass. Twice! The flagged stake is 7-8 ft long and it’s what you need to find the sets with grass that’s 5 ft tall. It’s a different world out there.

Haha, it’s also pretty amazing to try to keep up with Newt and Morgan. They move pretty fast through that stuff. But I guess you have to, to keep up with the changing tides.


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6910118
06/25/20 08:45 AM
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I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.

All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.

Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.

Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic.


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6910326
06/25/20 12:56 PM
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I am still learning the do"s and don'ts. I was running 7x7 3/32 a bent washer. I started out with then went to 7x7 5/64 and a sure locks . Over the yrs I went to mini pro locks 35 in 5/64 1x19 barrel swivel 36 in 7x7 3/32 loaded snares. I run kill poles not that they kill them. Because they are so fast to put out. I have tried a few 3/8 rebar kill poles. I use a little long snare. Most of the time they get the 7x7 around a tree. The coon still have a swivel to move around. I learn more every yr. I getting where I like to snare more than dig holes.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6913608
06/28/20 02:03 PM
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Dead coons don't chew


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: Teacher] #6913613
06/28/20 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.

All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.

Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.

Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic.



100 percent agree on inline swivels. I run a barrel swivel as close to the loop as possible


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6914310
06/29/20 02:41 AM
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My trouble is the 1 piece snare lock Arkansas has. I can only use a 2 piece lock in water. Cant touch the land. So I stay with the 1 piece lock that sucks big time. I am a big fan of inline barrel swivels. I use mini pro lock and slim locks mostly on coons

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6914525
06/29/20 10:44 AM
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I run barrel swivels on all my snares. I’d never run another snare without them. They work wondering when snaring coon. Hey bobcat_trapper why don’t you like one piece locks? Cams are my favourite but I’ve never had a problem with slims

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: bobcat_trapper] #6914659
06/29/20 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bobcat_trapper
My trouble is the 1 piece snare lock Arkansas has. I can only use a 2 piece lock in water. Cant touch the land. So I stay with the 1 piece lock that sucks big time. I am a big fan of inline barrel swivels. I use mini pro lock and slim locks mostly on coons


Both of those are relaxing locks. Switch to BMI mini locks if you can find them or Berkshire sure locks if you can't hind the mini locks. These both lock down and won't back off even if a coon works at the lock with his feet.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: AirportTrapper] #6914663
06/29/20 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AirportTrapper
Dead coons don't chew

Originally Posted by AirportTrapper
Originally Posted by Teacher
I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.

All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.

Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.

Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic.



100 percent agree on inline swivels. I run a barrel swivel as close to the loop as possible


What good is a swivel on a snare with a dead coon in it? IMO swivels are for live snaring and actually hinder the snare locking down tight enough to dispatch coons as quickly.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6914695
06/29/20 03:09 PM
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Can't really buy tha as entanglement neutralizes the swivel. Swivel Iid for the ones that refuse to follow directions.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6914784
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Can't really buy tha as entanglement neutralizes the swivel. Swivel Iid for the ones that refuse to follow directions.


A swivel near the loop is the least likely to be "neutralized". You want your snares wrapped up as tight as possible to dispatch neck snared coons.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6914866
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The majority of mine are not in entanglement.

Why a swivel? Insurance


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6915116
06/29/20 10:21 PM
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Even on a short snare, you'll still have around 12"+ of free snare when jmts cinched down. A 2.5 inch deer stop is roughly 9" of cable and , you need at least 24 to make a very minimal snare before the swivel.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6915242
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Even on a short snare, you'll still have around 12"+ of free snare when jmts cinched down. A 2.5 inch deer stop is roughly 9" of cable and , you need at least 24 to make a very minimal snare before the swivel.

My cable is 19 inches , giving roughly a 5 1/2 loop


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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6915695
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Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6915699
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Even on a short snare, you'll still have around 12"+ of free snare when jmts cinched down. A 2.5 inch deer stop is roughly 9" of cable and , you need at least 24 to make a very minimal snare before the swivel.


Actually its 7.85" for a 2 1/2" deer stop... but if your neck snaring coon that inline swivel is keeping the cable from twisting up tight, why would you not want it twisted up tightly if your trying to kill the coon with the snare? Makes no sense. Of course your in Ohio where you are limited by DNR rules and probably have a hard time killing coons with the deer stop laws and relaxing locks. You don't see many guys using swivel on kill snares for coyotes, why would a coon be any different, if in fact you're neck snaring them?

Airport, if what your doing is working for you, keep at it. Them little baby coon you got in La, I don't know much about targeting. I try hard to avoid anything but the biggest and best 3X and up coons.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6915721
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No such thing as relaxing locks as you know other than a nonsensical definition. Plus we don't have to use deer stops with a breakaway. That was just to illustrate the closed loop size. I don't rely on twisting to tighten up the cable. If you're doing so, you're risking a twist out if things don't work out.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
No such thing as relaxing locks as you know other than a nonsensical definition. Plus we don't have to use deer stops with a breakaway. That was just to illustrate the closed loop size. I don't rely on twisting to tighten up the cable. If you're doing so, you're risking a twist out if things don't work out.


What locks are you using then, and what % of coons are neck snared? If you are using a lock that requires a bur on a hole to lock the cable you're not killing many coons with your snares, and they will self release on occasion when neck snared. If they can get a hold of the lock with their feet, which they are good at, you definitely can benefit from a kink in the cable near the lock.

Re: Snaring Coons [Re: scotiantrapper] #6916099
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When I was doing it I was using the bmi minis and bullet locks in entanglement situations. I was getting about 50% as dinks would come through on my really tight trails and slither through and get hip caught. Never really had issues with coon throwing the snares off, even when I went to using the reverse bend washer locks even then I was still getting a decent percentage of neck catches.

The kinking for me never really did me much on anything. All it got me was a big mess, especially if a grey fox came by.

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