Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: scotiantrapper]
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06/24/20 11:14 PM
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I’ve walked the salt marshes or “meadows” as they’re called in New Jersey. The grass is tall, the mud substantial and I went right up to my hip stepping through an unforeseen rat run beneath the grass. Twice! The flagged stake is 7-8 ft long and it’s what you need to find the sets with grass that’s 5 ft tall. It’s a different world out there.
Haha, it’s also pretty amazing to try to keep up with Newt and Morgan. They move pretty fast through that stuff. But I guess you have to, to keep up with the changing tides.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: scotiantrapper]
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06/25/20 08:45 AM
06/25/20 08:45 AM
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I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.
All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.
Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.
Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic.
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Re: Snaring Coons
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06/28/20 02:07 PM
06/28/20 02:07 PM
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Louisiana
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I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.
All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.
Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.
Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic. 100 percent agree on inline swivels. I run a barrel swivel as close to the loop as possible
If it makes a track on this earth , I can catch it.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: bobcat_trapper]
#6914659
06/29/20 02:11 PM
06/29/20 02:11 PM
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Iowa
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My trouble is the 1 piece snare lock Arkansas has. I can only use a 2 piece lock in water. Cant touch the land. So I stay with the 1 piece lock that sucks big time. I am a big fan of inline barrel swivels. I use mini pro lock and slim locks mostly on coons Both of those are relaxing locks. Switch to BMI mini locks if you can find them or Berkshire sure locks if you can't hind the mini locks. These both lock down and won't back off even if a coon works at the lock with his feet.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: AirportTrapper]
#6914663
06/29/20 02:14 PM
06/29/20 02:14 PM
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I’m new at snaring so you’ll have to forgive me if my observations don’t mimic yours. After seeing Newt’s in-line swiveled snares, I bought some of his 5/64 1x19 stainless steel Double loaded variety. Coon twisted them up but they held. I also had some Mark Steck snares with camlocks. They were set up for coyotes (72-inches long) so I cut them down, installed inline swivels and caught coon with them also. These were 3/32 7x7 galvanized aircraft cable. Again, they got kinked but held up well.
All of these were January thaw coon. At one point they’d probably have been 25-plus pounds but after sleeping a bit due to deep snow and temps from -10 to a high of 10, they burned off a lot of the fat. A couple were one leg and shoulder caught. The others were lower body caught. Upon skinning, I found a mark similar to that of a 220 conibear.
Again, based on limited catches, I think an in-line swivel, close to the loop, does more good than a terminal swivel. That being said, all the cable was twisted pretty significantly even with a 24-hour check. I didn’t see signs of chewing. All coon were alive when I got there.
Newt has small coon. Sniper’s coon are middlin’ and Jabne’s coon are flat out big. Beav has a cable restraint law that keeps him from really snugging them down and that might allow the cable to be pushed further down the body. I suspect a lot depends on size of animal, snare loading, height off the trail, and the lock used. It sure is an interesting topic. 100 percent agree on inline swivels. I run a barrel swivel as close to the loop as possible What good is a swivel on a snare with a dead coon in it? IMO swivels are for live snaring and actually hinder the snare locking down tight enough to dispatch coons as quickly.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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06/29/20 05:32 PM
06/29/20 05:32 PM
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Can't really buy tha as entanglement neutralizes the swivel. Swivel Iid for the ones that refuse to follow directions. A swivel near the loop is the least likely to be "neutralized". You want your snares wrapped up as tight as possible to dispatch neck snared coons.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: scotiantrapper]
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06/29/20 06:52 PM
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The majority of mine are not in entanglement.
Why a swivel? Insurance
If it makes a track on this earth , I can catch it.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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06/30/20 02:22 AM
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Even on a short snare, you'll still have around 12"+ of free snare when jmts cinched down. A 2.5 inch deer stop is roughly 9" of cable and , you need at least 24 to make a very minimal snare before the swivel. My cable is 19 inches , giving roughly a 5 1/2 loop
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: scotiantrapper]
#6915699
06/30/20 02:22 PM
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Even on a short snare, you'll still have around 12"+ of free snare when jmts cinched down. A 2.5 inch deer stop is roughly 9" of cable and , you need at least 24 to make a very minimal snare before the swivel. Actually its 7.85" for a 2 1/2" deer stop... but if your neck snaring coon that inline swivel is keeping the cable from twisting up tight, why would you not want it twisted up tightly if your trying to kill the coon with the snare? Makes no sense. Of course your in Ohio where you are limited by DNR rules and probably have a hard time killing coons with the deer stop laws and relaxing locks. You don't see many guys using swivel on kill snares for coyotes, why would a coon be any different, if in fact you're neck snaring them? Airport, if what your doing is working for you, keep at it. Them little baby coon you got in La, I don't know much about targeting. I try hard to avoid anything but the biggest and best 3X and up coons.
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Re: Snaring Coons
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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06/30/20 03:16 PM
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No such thing as relaxing locks as you know other than a nonsensical definition. Plus we don't have to use deer stops with a breakaway. That was just to illustrate the closed loop size. I don't rely on twisting to tighten up the cable. If you're doing so, you're risking a twist out if things don't work out. What locks are you using then, and what % of coons are neck snared? If you are using a lock that requires a bur on a hole to lock the cable you're not killing many coons with your snares, and they will self release on occasion when neck snared. If they can get a hold of the lock with their feet, which they are good at, you definitely can benefit from a kink in the cable near the lock.
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