Re: Union Poll
[Re: teepee2]
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06/24/20 01:14 PM
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No !!! Unions never did squat for me except steal my dues money, and use it to elect Liberal Progressive Democrats I deployed the Supreme Court's Janus Decision, and opted out of my last union 1st chance I got. Unions are a carbuncle on the arse of the working man !!! w They have a 10$ magazine you had to buy also? At least you got a magazine from NAFA if they forced you to pay $10.00. With forced union dues, you didn't even get that. Funny you should draw a parallel between NAFA and unions. NAFA finally ran themselves out of business, and unions are well on their way to self-destructing as well !!! LOL w
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: warrior]
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06/24/20 01:15 PM
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My Teamsters rep came in for years he went and talked to the boss who was non union but never the union guys Did not know who he was we had words when I figured that.
When the mechanics were on strike we were told not to cross the picket line when asked if they would give us strike pay (was not much) they said no. We asked what we paid dews for then, they said you pay dues to work there!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: The Beav]
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06/24/20 01:36 PM
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If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour. Really? This high school dropout averages 75/hr. But then again I am management, and labor.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 01:38 PM
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If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour. And bread would be a nickel a loaf.
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: warrior]
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06/24/20 02:12 PM
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At one time, Unions were needed and they saved the workin man. On both sides of my family, they was all coal Miners. My Great Gpa struck in the 20's and thirties and my kin is still striking as of last year anyhow and helped give bloody Harlan it's name.
But, Unions, just like most things, wavered from truth and got corrupt and greedy. Why, human nature I reckon and putting Democrats in office. Unions today imo, are nothing more then another arm for the Democratic party to stay in office. Keepin p*** poor Teachers teachin our youngin's and p*** poor cops on the job that give the good ones a bad name.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: The Beav]
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06/24/20 02:26 PM
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If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour. Baloney
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: warrior]
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06/24/20 02:48 PM
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Had a buddy that worked a non union railroad job for a mine. His wages were good,a little better than union,but he had to work when they said. He did not have the choice to refuse work above and beyond his regular hours.The company used their workforce to make up for not hiring as many people.He was working on the trains up to 80 hours a week-the money was good-that was not the issue-he could not get hardly any time off.His marriage failed,he wound up losing the job thru the divorce,and was on the skids for a while.Once he got straightened out he came back to the union RR job he left years before and did very well for himself. He always felt he was used by the non union mining company and felt like a slave-even though the money was good-he had no life.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 02:54 PM
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Had a buddy that worked a non union railroad job for a mine. His wages were good,a little better than union,but he had to work when they said. He did not have the choice to refuse work above and beyond his regular hours.The company used their workforce to make up for not hiring as many people.He was working on the trains up to 80 hours a week-the money was good-that was not the issue-he could not get hardly any time off.His marriage failed,he wound up losing the job thru the divorce,and was on the skids for a while.Once he got straightened out he came back to the union RR job he left years before and did very well for himself. He always felt he was used by the non union mining company and felt like a slave-even though the money was good-he had no life. I can clearly see where capitalism and the free market was the demise of true family values and structure in Canada, some don't see it.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Union Poll
[Re: The Beav]
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06/24/20 02:58 PM
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If It wasn't for the unions you would all be working for $8.00 an hour. Cause of the unions many aren't working at all. I know lots of mfg. places that left cause the unions wouldn't bargain. Now there is no work for any wage. If unions would work with management they would add value to having a union. As it is having a union is a downside for management. If unions were smart they would offer to handle all the employee issues from hiring to firing. They should work on training employees, hiring good people, firing bad employees. This would let management wash their hands of employee issues. Something they would rather not deal with. In this scenario the unions would be adding value to a company and could get away with even higher wages for qualified hard working employees instead of fighting to keep the bad.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 03:19 PM
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I put 40 years in the Steelworkers Union.We needed Unions back in the day.Its because of Unions that there is safety in the work place today,weekends,time off with pay.etc.The shop I worked at,,my Dad actualy got the Union in there back in 1946.He was fresh out of the Marines.Company would pay no overtime no matter how many hours worked.Would tell a guy don't show up for work Friday,,but we need you here all day Saturday or sunday.for straight pay.No time off for illness or a sick child.No vacation ,zero concerne for the safety of the worker.Unions battled to remedy all that.BUT,,there came a time later in my working years when the Unions started to NOT fight for the rank and file working man.Union Staff became lazy and didn't want to make waves as long as their Union Staff retirement was stable.I had it out with several staff "leaders" towards the end.I was shop steward in our mill for the last 35 of my 40 years there,,and several times had to straighten things out with our headquarters in Pittsburgh because of local Staff not willing to fight for the workers.They got lazy and were more concerned with themselves.All in all,,I have a lot to thank the union for.I made a decent living and have a good pension.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 03:46 PM
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I had a foreman who once told me the only thing worse than a union was not having a union.In my work experiences that was very,very true.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 03:48 PM
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The president of the barbers union was living well in South America off of the Union money he robbed from the workers.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 05:12 PM
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To a point. I made really good money being in the pipe fitters union. But they protected the lazy SOBs that worked right along side of me. I normally ran jobs and I would have a lazy SOB on the job and I would lay him off. But the union would just send him out on some other job. Sheet metal union here. The lazy slobs in our trade couldn't find steady employment once they went through enough contractors. They wind up leaving the trade and looking for a new line of work. No protection. Union only gave us school, a good wage, and insurance. The rest is up to us. Kinda like the NFL. Only as good as your last day of work.
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Re: Union Poll
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06/24/20 05:17 PM
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To a point. I made really good money being in the pipe fitters union. But they protected the lazy SOBs that worked right along side of me. I normally ran jobs and I would have a lazy SOB on the job and I would lay him off. But the union would just send him out on some other job. Sheet metal union here. The lazy slobs in our trade couldn't find steady employment once they went through enough contractors. They wind up leaving the trade and looking for a new line of work. No protection. Union only gave us school, a good wage, and insurance. The rest is up to us. Kinda like the NFL. Only as good as your last day of work. Lol
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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