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Re: Agent Orange [Re: Gary Benson] #6912481
06/27/20 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
If farmers don't feed the world......who does?


Unless a farmer is giving me my food for free, I'm feeding myself.


Re: Agent Orange [Re: coydog2] #6912490
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Originally Posted by coydog2
Agent Orange is also Round Up ,in a less concentrated form. How I know it is from a Vietnam Vet I had work with in the past told me about what it dose and how it was used . Also what trapgog1 stated is so true and also they have not seen the fat on the deer also.

Round up is not 245-t, not even close.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: Wild_Idaho] #6912494
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Originally Posted by Wild_Idaho
When I opened this thread I thought we were gonna be discussing Home Depot.

LOL... I thought it was going to be another Trump./ Russia conspiracy laugh


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912496
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I thought this was going to be about SKA !

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912498
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"Agent Orange is also Round Up ,in a less concentrated form. How I know it is from a Vietnam Vet I had work with in the past told me about what it dose and how it was used"

You need to verify your sources.... Glyphosate IS NOT the same as agent orange, not even remotely close. Agent orange, one of the "rainbow agents", was compounded from 2-4-D and 2-4-5-T.

2-4-5-T contained a dioxin as a byproduct of manufacture that caused all the problems.

If Glyphosate and 2-4-D were so were so deadly we would all be dead. There has been a lot of it used in the last 50 years.

I speak from FIRST hand knowledge, didn't need to parrot someone that didn't know what they were talking about

Re: Agent Orange [Re: Teacher] #6912499
06/27/20 10:23 AM
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Blaming chemical manufacturers is as silly as blaming tobacco companies when people get sick from tobacco use, and blaming alcohol producers for alcoholism and drunk driving killing people. Money talks. But we'd better take Elmer Fudds' gun out of the cartoons. That's harmful.


I know I'm paranoid......but am I paranoid ENOUGH???
Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912504
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245T was a wonderful brush killer. As long as it is used properly and folks are not forced to wear the stuff it is most likely safe. A little common sense is necessary with most things, but misuse it and it gets outlawed. Seems everything that works well gets abused and lost. I can see fly bait going the same rout in the near future with some of the stories told about using it improperly. mad

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912506
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Talking about this brings back memories. We used to put the base chemicals of cosmetics beneath the eyelids of rabbits because rabbits don’t cry. The Food Drug and Cosmetic Act requires cosmetics not affect human users if it gets into user eyes. Rabbit eye structures are apparently close to human eye structures so Charles River Whites were used. Our lab had over 400 adult rabbits at all times. We also had thousands of mice. A technician would shave the backs and apply 1 of 5 different concentrations of the test product to the skin. After a couple weeks, she’d measure the tumors. We also raised dogs for other labs. As I recall, we had 2100 purebred beagles most of which were shipped off to other testing sites.

I did a little bit of everything, including catching “clean” cups of manure and urine coming out of cows. And autopsies of chickens and mice, candling thousands of eggs, painting mice, running a manure spreader, bleeding hogs and helping muscle biopsy unhappy cows. You had to be fast because they kick hard!!

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Re: Agent Orange [Re: Ric] #6912514
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[quote=Ric]
If Glyphosate and 2-4-D were so were so deadly we would all be dead. There has been a lot of it used in the last 50 years.


We plant a very large garden and don’t have much Free time to pull All the weeds. To save time, I use glyphosate between rows. Keeps from over tilling and compaction too. A couple days after spraying, we go back through and hand hoe the weeds within the rows or ones we missed spraying.

The only harm it does is occasionally drifting if it’s windy while spraying or me getting too brave and getting too close to the plants. Both of which are my fault.

Been doing this for years with no ill effects

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912522
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Exposures over time, concentration of use, age of person applying the product, etc. all have to be taken into consideration. You applying while wearing boots, pants and long sleeves is different from your grandson Hoeing weeds there a day later when he’s wearing flip-flops, shorts, and a t-shirt. Endocrine disrupters are harder on kids than they are on us older folks.


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: trapperbless] #6912523
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Fat people means no nutrition they are always hungry trying to get nutrients the crap good doesn't have. No not distemper no nutrition. And broken immune system.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: coydog2] #6912525
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Originally Posted by coydog2
Agent Orange is also Round Up ,in a less concentrated form. How I know it is from a Vietnam Vet I had work with in the past told me about what it dose and how it was used . Also what trapgog1 stated is so true and also they have not seen the fat on the deer also.



Not true. They are two chemically different compounds and function completely differently on plants.

Glyphosate is C3H8NO5P

Agent Orange is C24H27CL5O6

Agent orange disrupts the production of a hormone that controls cell division inside the plant. Roundup interferes with enzyme production that promotes growth.Roundup Ready plants are engineered to produce MORE of this enzyme and consequently, not affected by the herbicide.

Dow Chemical was the main producer of Agent Orange so don't forget to badmouth them with misinformation also.


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: Leftlane] #6912528
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Say what you will but DDT was sure good for my quail populations


DDT was effective at controling mosquito born desease. It should have been brought back when zika hit.
As with all other chemicals, misuse is/was the real issue.

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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912530
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Life member of DAV,NTA,NRA,ITA.Also member of FTA,CBA
Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912547
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I have several friends that died from agent orange. Others adversely affected their entire lives.
Roundup is bad news in my opinion.
DDT was used in my area to control black flies, but it was learned to inhibit lake trout reproduction.
GE dumped tons of PCB's into the Hudson river affecting reproductivity of fish eaters like mink and otters. It put commercial fishermen, downstream, out of business.
Just read the ingredients on foods like bread. Is there any wonder there is so much cancer? Look at the aerial spraying of crops.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: coydog2] #6912556
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Originally Posted by coydog2
Diggerman here is some links to check out for yourself .


https://www.periscopegroup.com/roundup/roundup-agent-orange






This is the only link of yours that I read. It contains factual errors that are...IMO....intended to mislead the reader.

Example:

"Agent Orange (named for the orange stripes that were painted on the barrels) was the strongest and most commonly used herbicide employed to destroy food crops and decimate forest cover. 13 million gallons of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin, commonly called TCDD – a type of dioxin – was dumped onto Vietnam. The problem with dioxins is that they can last for years in the environment and have been known to cause cancer and birth defects."


That is NOT a true statement. About 13 million gallons of Agent Orange were used in VN but there were only trace amounts of dioxin contained in that 13 million gallons. Granted, the dioxin was sufficient to cause health problems....probably...but that doesn't excuse the author's shoddy...intentional ? ....scholarship

Also that author claims it was used on food crops. In VN that would be rice. The problem is that the chemical action of agent orange does not affect plants with a single cotyledon like rice and barley.


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912566
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Unless I am mistaken, Agent orange was outlawed. Simple fix, change the name to Paraquat,we used it for years,then it becomes too dangerous - outlawed it. Now we have Gramoxone, same basic thing as Agent Orange. Chemicals are dangerous, but they are very necessary.

Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912619
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Originally Posted by nate
Fat people means no nutrition they are always hungry trying to get nutrients the crap good doesn't have. No not distemper no nutrition. And broken immune system.


do you have any data to back up your opinions?


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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912622
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Originally Posted by nate
Fat people means no nutrition they are always hungry ...


no; lazy's eating all the time and not moving...THAT's what causes fat people.



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Re: Agent Orange [Re: nate] #6912627
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