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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6919701
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I reminded myself last night what a gift it was that youtube and this forum existed as I listened to Robby Gilbert on Trap House podcast. He talked about how he had none of this when he got into trapping (as all my friends have also said).

Thank you all for your responses and continued help. I hope I do that for people too.


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: The Beav] #6927102
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Originally Posted by The Beav
So If your talking about building a T bar being used as a stake here's what you can do. Cut your re bar to length the slip on a nut. Place the nut about 2 " down on the re bar then smash It In place. Depending on your re bar diameter you will have to use some flat stock to make your T Lets say you are using 1/2" re bar you would need a piece of 3/4 or better yet 1" flat stock. Drill a hole in the flat stock slip It on to the re bar place another nut In place and smash It tight. And now you have a T bar stake with out welding.


Sorry to bother you guys with this but I don't know how to smash a nut onto the rebar. The guy at the hardware store told me brass nuts would squish better than steel so I got a bunch of them and now I can't squish them using the vice, or bang them with a sledge hammer. Do I just need to keep banging? I even tried heating them with a torch.


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927111
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Put the nut on the re bar heat both till red then smash the nut. I don't think your getting the nut hot enough. If your using one of those hand held propane torches It's not going to get the job done.
Fire up your charcoal grill . Place the nuts on the rebar stick both of them In the grill and heat till red then smash on the nut. You can do more then one at a time buy using this method. And It will get the job done.

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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: The Beav] #6927112
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Put the nut on the re bar heat both till red then smash the nut. I don't think your getting the nut hot enough.


Ok thanks. I'll try that


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927114
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Go back and read my edit on that last post.


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927116
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Ok thanks! Yes all I have is the hand torch.

I don't have a charcoal grill anymore but I have an old timey stove thing. I'll try to heat it up in there. I would assume "charcoal" isn't the catalyst but the fire (from wood), correct? Will that get it hot enough?


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927127
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Ok I just went out In the shop and placed a 1/2 nut on a 3/8s section of re bar. It was a tight fit so I drilled out the threads. Placed It on the re bar and with 3 or 4 good hits with my 4Lb trap hammer It was smashed Into place. No heating required.
You do need to have a solid steel block to pound against.

If this Isn't working out for you look at my non welding site and just use a cable clamp instead of the nut. Keep It down about 1" and that way you won't damage the clamp when driving the stake. It will also allow you to remove the trap without pulling the stake.


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: The Beav] #6927149
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Ok I just went out In the shop and placed a 1/2 nut on a 3/8s section of re bar. It was a tight fit so I drilled out the threads. Placed It on the re bar and with 3 or 4 good hits with my 4Lb trap hammer It was smashed Into place. No heating required.
You do need to have a solid steel block to pound against.

If this Isn't working out for you look at my non welding site and just use a cable clamp instead of the nut. Keep It down about 1" and that way you won't damage the clamp when driving the stake. It will also allow you to remove the trap without pulling the stake.


Thanks. These "brass nuts" if that's what they are, on 1/2in rebar aren't squishing. I used an actual sledge hammer with a railroad plate underneath. I'll keep trying. Thanks.

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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: The Beav] #6927152
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Ok I just went out In the shop and placed a 1/2 nut on a 3/8s section of re bar. It was a tight fit so I drilled out the threads. Placed It on the re bar and with 3 or 4 good hits with my 4Lb trap hammer It was smashed Into place. No heating required.
You do need to have a solid steel block to pound against.

If this Isn't working out for you look at my non welding site and just use a cable clamp instead of the nut. Keep It down about 1" and that way you won't damage the clamp when driving the stake. It will also allow you to remove the trap without pulling the stake.


Do you think if I just drilled out the threads like you did the nut would smash easier??

That might be something.


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927154
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One other thing to think about Is If the nut Is tight on the rebar It has no where to go so It's not going to crush. If It was hot enough It would.
So do this take just the nut and lay It on your tie plate and try to smash It. If It crushes just drill out the threads or get bigger nuts. Or a bigger hammer. LOL


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: The Beav] #6927185
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Originally Posted by The Beav
One other thing to think about Is If the nut Is tight on the rebar It has no where to go so It's not going to crush. If It was hot enough It would.
So do this take just the nut and lay It on your tie plate and try to smash It. If It crushes just drill out the threads or get bigger nuts. Or a bigger hammer. LOL



Yes! Thank you for the advice. It just started raining but I'll get back to this tomorrow. I will try to drill out the threads first.


Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927192
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Get a bigger nut.
The threads help hold the nut to the rebar.
You ain't gonna do it with a tap or so.
Just buy the cheapest steel nuts you can find. Farm store Buy in bulk.
Aren't brass nuts expensive?
I use a piece of RR rail and my trapping hammer. Leave a 1/2" above nut so you don't loosen it. and everytime you pound the stake it mushrooms a littl so the nut can't come off.
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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927210
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A tie plate wont do. You need something solid that wont move, a chunk of RR track for example......jk


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927221
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His main problem Is he's not getting the nut hot enough. If that nut was cherry red It would crush with a few taps.
You can beat 2 pieces of metal together if those 2 pieces are hot enough.
Looks like he has the perseverance he'll get It done.


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927283
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Cut all your rebar to length ....and then cut the 4 inch pieces that you would weld as a “T”. Take all your pieces to a Meineke Muffler shop...or any muffler shop...and ask them ..how much to weld these up..


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927627
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He doesn't have to get it hot at all.
Just hit the darned thing---HARD several times.
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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927800
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But getting It HOT will let the nut form around the re bar for a better fit. But for the most part It's a poor way to build re bar stakes.


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: Nessmuck] #6927853
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
Cut all your rebar to length ....and then cut the 4 inch pieces that you would weld as a “T”. Take all your pieces to a Meineke Muffler shop...or any muffler shop...and ask them ..how much to weld these up..



Good advise! Or take all that over to your friends place who welds, bring a case of beer with you and ask him to weld it up for you. If your rebar is already cut to length it will take just a few minutes to weld T-stakes.

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Drink the beer after the welding Is done.


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Re: Beaver T-bar without welder [Re: nyhuntfish] #6927860
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NYhuntfish...

Given that you are in the US, you should have access to Harbor Freight. At HF, you can purchase an FCAW welder for about $90 on sale. It is the size of a milk crate and comes with everything you need to buzz up some t-bars including a crappy face shield.
You can get an auto darkening face shield on Amazon for around $40 USD

I know not everyone has even $130 in their budget, but you may want to consider it as an option to expand your equipment and skill set.

A couple of youtube videos and you're off to the races.


Thanks. My problem with the welder is my friend who welds a lot told me essentially to waste the money on a stick welder and to wait until I get a mig welder and do it right. That's what I was planning on. I don't know.



Your friend has too much money, is a welding snob, and is full of it. There is nothing that a wire feed or any other welder will do that a rod welder does. You are not doing light metal or fine work in re rods. 90 to 100 amps and it will weld. I would get a metal sheet that you did not care about, to scratch your rod on, so that it arcs easier starting out as you are new to this, but I have been welding everything from spring steel on cultivators, cast iron, thin metal, to not rusting for years, that I was told by experts I could not weld, and it all welded and held. Sometimes you have to puddle the metal to get it hot like a blacksmith, but I have done it all on a Lincoln welder which is older than most people here.
I like the rod welders as they are KISS and I do not have a fortune invested in it and I am not going to be welding paper thing metals or getting graded in class.

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