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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943270
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By suggesting ways we might lessen the need to pay for those things?


There is no "need" for anybody to pay for those things except by the people who want them

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Say what you mean, that you think shooting up the country is going to fix these things. And answer my question, are you going to kill me and my family?


Only if you do like the blm in St Louis. Show up here and tell me your taking my home Coos. I am fed up with socialism. I won't tolerate communism.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6943275
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by J Staton
I always thought there was just a right and a wrong. In the U.S., the Constitution is supposed to define this right/wrong for our governance. There is no middle ground anymore because we no longer legislate nor judge by the limitations set forth by the Constitution.. The only thing the middle does is compromise away the very document that defines what is right or wrong.


The middle ground is trust that Americans will do the right thing. Government should be reserved to manage the exception.

Trusting in man may be the problem. I think the Founders thought so too.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: danny clifton] #6943276
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Originally Posted by danny clifton

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By suggesting ways we might lessen the need to pay for those things?


There is no "need" for anybody to pay for those things except by the people who want them

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Say what you mean, that you think shooting up the country is going to fix these things. And answer my question, are you going to kill me and my family?


Only if you do like the blm in St Louis. Show up here and tell me your taking my home Coos. I am fed up with socialism. I won't tolerate communism.


I guess well just peacefully disagree then. I hope this country comes to a realization that we arent going to have a future as two polar opposites, and that we arent going to be able to eliminate one of those extremes and just keep the other either. I dont care for the far left anymore than I do the far right. Neither is the way forward.

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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943283
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capitalism built this country from a wilderness into a world power. rewarding irresponsible behavior just makes the irresponsible demand more


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: rex123] #6943288
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Originally Posted by rex123
Come on folks you and I both know it is never going to change. I am a lot older than most on here and these are the same things people talked and fought about when I was a kid. The only difference is it has gotten worse for all the talk and each side has dug in to their way of thinking as the only way.


Yessir. This same conversation will be had in 20 years. Politicians gain by pitting right against left. We lose.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943289
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
So I guess I just started thinking that both sides want what they think is best for America, but that those two ideologies are as far apart as the North and South Pole.

Yes, but the paths to those opposite poles have become radically different; so much so that I don't think they lie on the same continuum. The Left wants to bring down the entire edifice to get rid of one guy who embodies something they despise with utter contempt. Everything they've tried so far has failed. The clock is running out, so their last desperate move is to burn the house down, which is what we're seeing.

I honestly don't think they want what's best for America because Americans are the problem in their eyes. More to the point, they see us "credulous boomer rubes" (said with a condescending southern drawl) as their primary roadblock. They use the words "America" and "Americans" for rhetorical effect, but they do NOT talk amongst themselves in those terms at all - they're dirty words. Orange-man-bad simply represents the larger target of their disgust, and we are that larger target.

I will gladly define the "they" and the "we" if anyone is interested - it's not as broad of a brush as you might think.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943290
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I got no problem with aid to the mentally ill, the retarded, and those with physical disability. Everybody else can eat dandelions in the park if they are hungry and won't work.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943294
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Coexistence with another who seeks to destroy you isnt practical. Its like picking up a snake.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943308
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
In reading posts and opinion pieces by liberals, I've come to realize something. You know how we all believe in the deepest part of our hearts that liberals are destroying our country? We believe they're trashing the constitution, plotting to take over the government completely, and want to change the country into something we wouldn't even recognize.

Well, I believe all that so strongly that I doubt anyone could ever change my mind. But, I think many liberals believe the SAME THING. They believe that we want to ruin the country, destroy the constitution, take over all branches of the gov't forevermore and are genuinely scared of the things that will happen when conservatives get elected just as we are scared of what will happen when liberals do. And they honestly believe that in their hearts.

An example... liberals really believe Trump is destroying the constitution, while we know it's actually the liberals that are. Both sides agree the constitution is important, but both sides are 100% convinced that it is the other side that is trying to destroy it.

So my question is... when a country is THAT far divided, when both sides view the other side as the AntiChrist, how is there ever any coming back from that?


What is this" we" crap? Both sides are being played. Both sides actually believe in most of the the same things. They just won't admit it. People want to believe it is us against them. 80 years of propaganda does wonders. People are not as divided as you think.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943317
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First we live in coexistence with nation that want to destroy us and have for a long time.Second who is playing both sides?

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943331
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Danny just pointed out one of the most expensive Socialist programs in the U.S.A. Hobbie defended it. Both claim to be conservative. crazy


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943336
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Sad to say but I feel we're to far over the waterfall. Go watch Paul Harvey **. WE WERE WARNED ** Now mind you this was back 55 yrs ago.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: rex123] #6943343
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Originally Posted by rex123
First we live in coexistence with nation that want to destroy us and have for a long time.Second who is playing both sides?

First...We have armed forces to deter and put-down aggressive actions towards us by those nations. This stands as a warning to the others with similar ideas.

Second..,Many play both sides. Those who refuse to stand against them or their minions capitulate.


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Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943348
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All of the garbage going on now is just to put pressure on normal middle of the road people so that they vote for Biden in hopes that this stuff just stops. We will find out in a few years that the DNC had financial support from a few socialists in this country and from China to fund all the unrest and biased media coverage. This will not go away, every time the dems lose an election they will say they actually won and the protests (riots) will start . I expect this to be the new normal that people keep talking about.

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Originally Posted by Duckie1
All of the garbage going on now is just to put pressure on normal middle of the road people so that they vote for Biden in hopes that this stuff just stops. We will find out in a few years that the DNC had financial support from a few socialists in this country and from China to fund all the unrest and biased media coverage. This will not go away, every time the dems lose an election they will say they actually won and the protests (riots) will start . I expect this to be the new normal that people keep talking about.


And the same thing happens on the right. We know there was foreign meddling in 2016 election, heck POTUS welcomed it this time around on camera, I guarantee there will be calls of fraud illegitimacy etc from both sides no matter which way it goes this fall.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943362
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Not to mention all the money in politics from capitalist interests if you can call it that. Just corruption of another sort, and easily overlooked by us

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943384
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I think its safe to say that voters of Trump are trying to protect the American way of life as we know it and it's constitution. And I believe it's also safe to say voters of Biden are wanting a change of government. If this is true , we as a country are only in the beginning of a long battle

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943387
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
In reading posts and opinion pieces by liberals, I've come to realize something. You know how we all believe in the deepest part of our hearts that liberals are destroying our country? We believe they're trashing the constitution, plotting to take over the government completely, and want to change the country into something we wouldn't even recognize.

Well, I believe all that so strongly that I doubt anyone could ever change my mind. But, I think many liberals believe the SAME THING. They believe that we want to ruin the country, destroy the constitution, take over all branches of the gov't forevermore and are genuinely scared of the things that will happen when conservatives get elected just as we are scared of what will happen when liberals do. And they honestly believe that in their hearts.

An example... liberals really believe Trump is destroying the constitution, while we know it's actually the liberals that are. Both sides agree the constitution is important, but both sides are 100% convinced that it is the other side that is trying to destroy it.

So my question is... when a country is THAT far divided, when both sides view the other side as the AntiChrist, how is there ever any coming back from that?


Yote your very question is based in incomplete assessment, which is based on your ideology which will produce an incorrect conclusion. The people on the "right" in Christian majority define those on the left as immoral and evil, based upon Biblical societal foundations which are correct. The people on the "left" in humanist moralism define those on the right in Darwinistic terms human and subhuman. Those on the left are human, and those on the right are subhuman.

Those on the right define evil and good as disciplines to living a life. Those on the left have abandoned those definitions which they choose not to live up to, for their own human judgments, of "everything is correct, and the only thing which is incorrect are those who place limits on actions".

The antichrist term is incorrect, because those on the right define those on the left as a threat to the foundations of society which have been proven by historical fact which produce stability, while those on the left excuse their actions by blaming those on the right, as the immediate threat to uncovering their failures at life. This is a death struggle, in those on the left are advocating the political and religious genocide of those on the right as it is a threat to their :"lifestyle" and those on the right are advocating the management of a societal cancer of liberalism within the country, thinking they can contain the plague of license.

I will use aborticide as an issue to explain this. Those on the right are against this as a life issue. Those on the left are for it, as a convenience issue to not have children after having sex. This has been "managed" in the world, with the result that Blacks were aborted in millions in the United States, and not having that work force, Mexicans, were brought in for labor. As Whites did not reproduce and aborted too, the Indian was brought in as a technician for technology work.
What are the results of this? An American demographic which is not Protestant, not having Protestant values, and the fact that Mexicans, Indians and Chinese do not purchase American goods, from milk so our dairy is imploding to outdoor pursuits, so the warrior race of Theodore Roosevelt in rugged individuals is becoming extinct, and so is their voting majority.

America is supposed to be a Republic Representative Government. It was converted in both world wars to a Social Democracy or Bribed Mob Rule. What took place under Barack Obama was the teaching and funding of operatives to use criminal riot to overthrow the status quo. The past 4 years have all been about undoing the 2016 election.

The basis of this is simple. When you have two competing ideologies, one which defines the left as evil and works to Evangelize it out of existence and one which openly is moving for the obliteration of Protestant guidance of society and replacing it with Latin and Chinese Marxists, there is already a war taking place since the 1960's funded by the 1% whose focus is protecting their assets. There is not any pulling back from this, as this was designed to produce this upheaval. Why moral issues were inserted to become politically legal.
History answers your question Yote. Assyria, Babylon, Samaria, Judah, Egypt, Rome. Whenever a ruling group so disenfranchises and then criminalizes the moral fabric which lawful groups follow, in favor of their being above the law, societal degradation begins. Affluence brings in foreign labor and foreign capital, and those that uphold order, begin withdrawing by being made criminals for their beliefs as the police state expands. Police states require more taxes and produce record debt, and debauchery is what is the aphrodisiac to bribe the mob.
Two events are only produced from this. One is Civil War. One is Foreign invasion. History predicts there is war coming to settle the issue. The left will not fight the war in seeking to embrace the enemy and the right will not fight as they will not defend the liberalism which is destroying them.

The Bible has a verse in the Prudent keep silent in times like these, so where do we go from here? You pay your taxes, obey the laws, you do not make yourself a target of the police state, and you prepare for the worst that history says will repeat itself in coming. That defines most of the people on this site in having skills to survive and remaining peaceful citizens.

Re: Where do we go from here? [Re: yotetrapper30] #6943393
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Its no longer about the democrats donkey and the republican elephant. Now we have the trojan horse that has grown and grown.
We have done like King Solomon and brought in too many strange partners thinking we were gaining power and wealth, but instead have been dissolved from within and are now bleeding out.

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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Its no longer about the democrats donkey and the republican elephant. Now we have the trojan horse that has grown and grown.
We have done like King Solomon and brought in too many strange partners thinking we were gaining power and wealth, but instead have been dissolved from within and are now bleeding out.


Exactly

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