Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6950247
08/01/20 08:22 AM
08/01/20 08:22 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
Kirk De
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
|
Is there any way to reduce the magnetic field if it's high in a trap already. Or should I just throw it away because it has a high magnetic field inside of it. I value your opinion please let me know If it’s a foothold how do you bed and prepare the set Will hide the projected field. If it’s a snare it also makes a difference how it is presented. The biggest factors is how it’s made and that is particularly pronounced in the use of the cage trap, A snare, and a conibear trap. This is evident because the animal has to go through or into the device. A cage trap that emits a magnetic field that is higher than that of the induction of the earth at the pan can be reduced or blocked by covering the pan with a board or grass clippings that are dry or dead. This will hide the field. If the trap has an interior swing bar that hangs down from the top or if the trap is upside down with bar extending up should be placed in water which blocks the radiating field coming off of the swing bar. I trap that uses a pan as a trigger can be placed in water that covers the pan and it will block the magnetic field and of the trap pan. Some traps with the interior pans or parts can still reduce the magnetic field inside the cage trap. That’s why it’s important to test every trap that you use. Some cage traps don’t have the limitations that others do. Some don’t have to be submerged in water to block the magnetic field or reduce the magnetic field. You have no way of knowing this unless you measure the magnetic field with a magnetometer. Even if you have a high magnetic field intensity you probably will still catch animals especially if they don’t have certain molecules in their system. Decreasing the magnetic field intensity just increases the opportunity to catch the older wiser animals.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6950729
08/01/20 05:32 PM
08/01/20 05:32 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
Kirk De
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
|
Well I'm glad I didn't know about this 28 years ago when I started my nuisance Wildlife Control business cuz it would have freaked me out. But after thousands of animals successfully caught in cages I don't think I'll worry too much about the magnetic fields thanks for the info though have a great day Six years ago from today an animal damage control magazine technical magazine Did a comparison between two traps. They were double door traps. One was 9 x 11 x 30 the other was 10 x 12 x 30. The editor tested the two traps in the field for 30 days. He told me one trap outperformed the other trap by 4 to 1 in actual catches. He did not post or write in his magazine when he did the article the catch ratio. He said he had no way to scientifically prove why one caught four times more than the other of the same period of time. Materials used were basically the same. Both were powder coated and both had a wire trigger. I still have in possession a trap identical to the 10 x 12 x 30 trap that was used in the test. It has a reduced magnetic field intensity that runs from 47 micro Tesla to 15 micro Tesla here . I believe if the editor will go back and test the two traps that he probably still has he can scientifically prove the difference between one and the other. This would give a reason why one out caught the other.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: Kirk De]
#6950810
08/01/20 06:58 PM
08/01/20 06:58 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2018
Canada
Urbancoon
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2018
Canada
|
...One was 9 x 11 x 30 the other was 10 x 12 x 30. The editor tested the two traps in the field for 30 days. He told me one trap outperformed the other trap by 4 to 1 in actual catches. To make it scientific, though, you'd need two traps exactly the same except for the magnetic fields.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: Urbancoon]
#6950819
08/01/20 07:03 PM
08/01/20 07:03 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
Kirk De
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
|
...One was 9 x 11 x 30 the other was 10 x 12 x 30. The editor tested the two traps in the field for 30 days. He told me one trap outperformed the other trap by 4 to 1 in actual catches. To make it scientific, though, you'd need two traps exactly the same except for the magnetic fields. I was that close. If one had a high intensity field the other one didn’t it would be obvious.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6951285
08/02/20 06:07 AM
08/02/20 06:07 AM
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Schenectady, NY
EatenByLimestone
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Oct 2011
Schenectady, NY
|
Well I'm glad I didn't know about this 28 years ago when I started my nuisance Wildlife Control business cuz it would have freaked me out. But after thousands of animals successfully caught in cages I don't think I'll worry too much about the magnetic fields thanks for the info though have a great day Why would it have freaked you out? Animals teach me new things all the time. Why should the theory that magnetic fields can change their behavior be any different? Is it necessary to know about magnetic fields in order to be successful? I think we could all argue we've successfully caught animals without knowledge of it, but could this knowledge help us? Maybe. But I'd argue somebody can be quite successful in this field without ever catching an animal in the first place and that sales skills are more important than tech skills.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6951385
08/02/20 08:52 AM
08/02/20 08:52 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2011
New York
Jim Comstock
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2011
New York
|
Not exactly sure about the last post. I'm all about catching, closure, solving a problem, making a customer feel good about getting results for the money he spent. Though I don't guarantee, it sometimes works out that way as I will not always charge when an animal leaves a property. The only animals I can't catch are the ones that leave the site. As long as a customer has activity or sees animals, I will remain on the job and finish it. At times animals will disappear, but those that remain come with me as they have for the past 30 years, meaning that the cages, snares, footholds, clamshell traps etc. have been working just fine. I don't really need a third party to try to convince me of imaginary problems I simply don't experience.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: EatenByLimestone]
#6953542
08/04/20 07:35 AM
08/04/20 07:35 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
Kirk De
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
|
Kirk, why are the magnetic fields different? Is it a question of allot used? Gauge of metal cage? Etc? Yes You can have almost a denticle looking traps But the field will be different. That’s why you need to test each trap before you use it.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6953791
08/04/20 11:42 AM
08/04/20 11:42 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2011
New York
Jim Comstock
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2011
New York
|
I guess this should be quantified, addressed by individual species. A great deal of this basically has no relevance, probably most of it, as problems in trapping are related to the specific intelligence of the individual species and to the function of the devices used, the most important issues in trapping. Anyone after reading the above who is now thinking OMG what am I doing wrong, now I have to get all new equipment, forget it, no need to change. I test daily in the field as I have for the past 55 years. I set a trap and catch an animal, test over. Skunks, Opossum, woodchucks, armadillos and others for starters are pretty much stupid, will go into any cage any time, even the off brands. Just about everything works to some degree. There really are pretty much no issues with these animals. The only time you might have trouble is if animals have been caged and released, but even then, not always. There was a local ADC guy who released a bunch of chucks in a cemetery behind his rental home. After he moved on I got the call and caught them all, no problem. Never had even one digger as I used positive sets, no bait. If others have wised up animals by setting inferior cage traps that get sprung or that result in escapes that can be an issue also, but changing to a foothold, snare or conibear is a simple cure, perhaps even going to a wire trigger cage trap as opposed to a pan cage trap or simply going to a larger cage trap. This is pretty basic simple common sense stuff that requires no testing and works very well. Having caught nearly 1400 beaver in swim through cages in 10 years I know how effective they are and how few times beaver avoid them. Like conibears, on occasion the odd one will not enter a cage, probably because he got hit by a conibear or saw other beaver caught in conibears during the fur season. I have sometimes caught 6 or 8 beaver in cages in a couple of days then found the last one afraid to enter the cage, a simple association from seeing others caught. A different trap often makes the catch first night. I found that the traps and sets I had for otter were super effective when the ice was on, but not so good in warm weather. It wasn't the trap. It wasn't the set. It was the time of year. There was nothing wrong with what I was doing and no magic, just timing. Lots of variables to evaluate and understand and to put into proper perspective, which comes from just getting out there and doing it, experience. Red fox and coyotes just don't like cages, confinement. I've yet to see anyone show photos of a hundred caged canines and doubt that I will no matter what the cage. Anything that can be completely camouflaged or hidden is a winner with the odd educated animals. Raccoon are the wild card. Once released they can be tough. Changing from a pan to a wire trigger cage or other deice will go a long way to bring closure. There are way too few animals presenting far too few problems accompanied by far too many success stories to look for problems that don't exist. Sometimes it takes that rare commodity to succeed, common sense.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: Jim Comstock]
#6953825
08/04/20 12:25 PM
08/04/20 12:25 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
Kirk De
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2008
Georgia
|
I guess this should be quantified, addressed by individual species. A great deal of this basically has no relevance, probably most of it, as problems in trapping are related to the specific intelligence of the individual species and to the function of the devices used, the most important issues in trapping. Anyone after reading the above who is now thinking OMG what am I doing wrong, now I have to get all new equipment, forget it, no need to change. I test daily in the field as I have for the past 55 years. I set a trap and catch an animal, test over. Skunks, Opossum, woodchucks, armadillos and others for starters are pretty much stupid, will go into any cage any time, even the off brands. Just about everything works to some degree. There really are pretty much no issues with these animals. The only time you might have trouble is if animals have been caged and released, but even then, not always. There was a local ADC guy who released a bunch of chucks in a cemetery behind his rental home. After he moved on I got the call and caught them all, no problem. Never had even one digger as I used positive sets, no bait. If others have wised up animals by setting inferior cage traps that get sprung or that result in escapes that can be an issue also, but changing to a foothold, snare or conibear is a simple cure, perhaps even going to a wire trigger cage trap as opposed to a pan cage trap or simply going to a larger cage trap. This is pretty basic simple common sense stuff that requires no testing and works very well. Having caught nearly 1400 beaver in swim through cages in 10 years I know how effective they are and how few times beaver avoid them. Like conibears, on occasion the odd one will not enter a cage, probably because he got hit by a conibear or saw other beaver caught in conibears during the fur season. I have sometimes caught 6 or 8 beaver in cages in a couple of days then found the last one afraid to enter the cage, a simple association from seeing others caught. A different trap often makes the catch first night. I found that the traps and sets I had for otter were super effective when the ice was on, but not so good in warm weather. It wasn't the trap. It wasn't the set. It was the time of year. There was nothing wrong with what I was doing and no magic, just timing. Lots of variables to evaluate and understand and to put into proper perspective, which comes from just getting out there and doing it, experience. Red fox and coyotes just don't like cages, confinement. I've yet to see anyone show photos of a hundred caged canines and doubt that I will no matter what the cage. Anything that can be completely camouflaged or hidden is a winner with the odd educated animals. Raccoon are the wild card. Once released they can be tough. Changing from a pan to a wire trigger cage or other deice will go a long way to bring closure. There are way too few animals presenting far too few problems accompanied by far too many success stories to look for problems that don't exist. Sometimes it takes that rare commodity to succeed, common sense. Everything that I’ve written can be proven scientifically.
|
|
|
Re: Magnetic field in cage traps help me Kirk
[Re: WileyKiller]
#6953859
08/04/20 01:41 PM
08/04/20 01:41 PM
|
Cysquatch
Unregistered
|
Cysquatch
Unregistered
|
This is a very interesting idea. How are you testing the magnetic field of the traps? What did you use for a control? Ambient temperature of the area where you were testing these traps? I have about a million questions. I'll start with these.
|
|
|
|
|