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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6972985
08/24/20 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
In the back no less



Typical comment from an Oregon resident. Look at the mess in your state

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: Flipper] #6972989
08/24/20 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Flipper
Originally Posted by AntiGov
In the back no less



Typical comment from an Oregon resident. Look at the mess in your state



What's my state have to do with a cop shooting someone in the back ?


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6972990
08/24/20 09:56 PM
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I would bet there have been more LEO's shot in the last two months than people that don't listen. Maybe if people would quite shooting LEO's they would not feel like that had to shoot some thug to stay alive. To me if you don't comply, as in this case, use what ever force is needed. I have no sympathy for him.


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6972991
08/24/20 09:56 PM
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If yall want to be ticked off, google up the footage from the day Robert LaVoy Finicum was shot down


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: Leftlane] #6972996
08/24/20 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
If yall want to be ticked off, google up the footage from the day Robert LaVoy Finicum was shot down



Yeah we hashed that murder out here too ......lol


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6972997
08/24/20 09:59 PM
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Sounds like deserved got, I think so ftom what I see. But like I say bfore. Cops can be nasty. Noone mess with.
, U get shot less that, I don't like be around them sometimez an not do thing but just be there, they like pic on ppl or if ur not in there favorite person list.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973012
08/24/20 10:12 PM
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He'll get paid more than he would have legally earned (assuming he had a job) in 10 lifetimes.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: coonman220] #6973014
08/24/20 10:16 PM
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I have been on both sides of the law. It has always gone better for me when I was honest. I was stopped and hand a handgun in the glove box where my registration was. I informed the officer there would be a handgun in the glove box and he replied that is perfectly legal and asked that I made it safe while we exchanged information.

There are a million ways a situation can turn out, you control many of them. Not always but the odds are you control many.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973015
08/24/20 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
We have gone over this before


So some of you think it's ok for police to shoot someone if they don't comply ?

Or if they " might " have a gun ?

If this is ok then alot more people gonna get it in the back ....lol



There is a big difference between not complying and what happened here, if this had been a law abiding citizen with no criminal record then I might feel different, but this was a man that not only had an open warrant out for him but had a previous incident with the police involveing a illegal handgun resulting in injury to an officer and then he reaches out of sight after not complying with the police what do you expect to happen

Now if this had been joe average citizen I expect that there would have been a bit more leeway given him on the part of the officers because their not dealing with a known dangerous criminal who has already shown his willingness to use a gun and use violence against officers

Frankly I don’t know why anyone is still a police officer no matter what you do you get (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) on by the public, if it was me I would have quit a long time ago and left the public to fend for themselves and get what they desire a society where there is no law except what you are able to enforce yourself, nor is there safety except as provided by you own hands



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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: nightlife] #6973023
08/24/20 10:25 PM
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I want to clarify that my point is you can choose to everything in your power to have things go your way (the legal way), or you can play hard ball and gamble that you with your life.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973049
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Ya that happens if been trouble for that bfore, not supprise. Easily happen someone never been trouble.cops noone to mess around with

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: Flipper] #6973106
08/25/20 05:35 AM
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Oregon the state of antifa and handle of anti govt says it all!!!

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973120
08/25/20 06:19 AM
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Reasons for going to the car:

1. The cops had bad breath and he was going to get them some tic-tacs.
2. One of the cops asked him for a light and his lighter was in the cup holder in the car.
3. One of the cops noticed a Dunkin Donut box through the window and asked if he happened to have a glazed.


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973131
08/25/20 07:04 AM
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My question is why he wasnt tackled before he got to the door of the vehicle. It wasnt like he was running.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973144
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Why the police are trained to not let someone get into a car

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6973188
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

My question is why he wasnt tackled before he got to the door of the vehicle. It wasnt like he was running.

An other armchair quarterback that doesn’t have a clue. Most people would wet there pants if they had to respond to what Law Enforcment do every day.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6973204
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

My question is why he wasnt tackled before he got to the door of the vehicle. It wasnt like he was running.

Hard to say. If I had to assume, maybe they were trying no to use force since a crowd had gathered. It all happened very quickly. The video is 7 seconds long. If You think about it, you would have to holster your weapon, make sure it's secure and then make your move and the guy is going to know you are coming. By the video, it looks like that may have been about to happen by the officer grabbing at his shirt but then things escalated. Also in the video, as the guy is walking to the van door, he puts his hand in his pants waistband what's he doing that for? I won't be surprised if they find a weapon but this is just all conjecture on my part. Hopefully they had body cams and that should clear things up quite a bit.


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6973209
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

My question is why he wasnt tackled before he got to the door of the vehicle. It wasnt like he was running.



I have a friend that is a cop with a big city police department. He's on the swat team now and does a lot of no knock warrants and stuff like that. He said when he went through the police academy there was a great deal of training on physical fighting techniques. Since then, he said, there has been a shift away from engaging in physical fighting and a shift to training policeman to use their tools - such as taser, mace, pistol. I don't think cops even carry billy clubs anymore, do they?

I think if a wanted man defies orders from police and gets into his car, apparently to reach for something, the police are in the right to respond with force. I just wish there had been a less lethal alternative in this case. Of course, if the cop saw a weapon in the car - I say he did the right thing by blazing away.


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Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973220
08/25/20 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

My question is why he wasnt tackled before he got to the door of the vehicle. It wasnt like he was running.

Hard to say. If I had to assume, maybe they were trying no to use force since a crowd had gathered. It all happened very quickly. The video is 7 seconds long. If You think about it, you would have to holster your weapon, make sure it's secure and then make your move and the guy is going to know you are coming. By the video, it looks like that may have been about to happen by the officer grabbing at his shirt but then things escalated. Also in the video, as the guy is walking to the van door, he puts his hand in his pants waistband what's he doing that for? I won't be surprised if they find a weapon but this is just all conjecture on my part. Hopefully they had body cams and that should clear things up quite a bit.

I couldn't tell when the guns were drawn first. Once drawn youre in no man's land unless the guy gives up. Obviously getting in close combat reach of a bar guy with a drawn or loosely secured weapon is a bad idea.

Re: Shoot first ask questions later [Re: AntiGov] #6973258
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Looks like he got what he deserved to me. The second he started to go into the car he put the cops in a life threatening situation.

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