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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994017
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Don't think anyone is surprised...

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994025
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There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid.

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #6994032
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid.

There were a lot of people that would have received chemo and survived cancer if the world wasn't afraid of contracting Covid. I fixed it for you. It's no secret many necessary healthcare appointments were delayed or forgotten altogether due to the Covid scare of 2020.

I've seen people after three weeks of Chemo at their most immunosuppressed level walk out to their car with a positive Covid test and drive home. It doesn't fit all of them.

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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #6994179
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid.



Did CNN tell you that?


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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994254
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The stats being reported for covid are blatantly biased in favor of covid related deaths and infection rate. The numbers reported aren’t really stats their political opinions.

Negative test results not being entered in the data base. All positive confirmation tests being entered into the data base for the same individual. Any terminal patient testing positive for covid reported as covid death regardless of actual cause of death( ie heart failure, car accident!).


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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994272
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I agree with the above post. I call it "politician science". You should see the look on some people's faces when I say that...it is as if a politician can't be wrong. Ha

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: Starcraft_Dart] #6994294
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Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid.

R u a troll?


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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994678
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If a terminally ill cancer person has a heart attack and dies, what does it say as cause of death on the death certificate? Not trolling, just a legitimate question that I trust someone with actual knowlege on this board would know the answer.

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: GROUSEWIT] #6994688
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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
Originally Posted by Starcraft_Dart
There were a lot of people that were on chemo that would have survived cancer if they didn't contract the Covid.

R u a troll?

Have you ever been to a cancer clinic? Patients have been wearing masks and gloves there years before the Covid 19 came about.

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994689
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1/3rd?



When this is all said and done, i would wager that stat will be closer to 2/3rd's.

Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: Marty B] #6994744
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I think the COVID deaths and other factors is very, very likely. The reports constantly state the list of factors that contribute to more severity and likely death if infected with CoVID. Not so much unlike the fact that millions with heart disease, cancer, organ failure etc. die from pneumonia but their deaths are not listed as pneumonia.

I do agree that the closing down of all elective surgeries for 2 months was an issue and many hospitals never had COVID cases in March-June. Several or getting them now. Our doctor told us when we did our Medicare visits that the real reason was mostly all the PPE that surgeries used up and that at that time in the USA there was a huge shortage o PPE supplies.

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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994827
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I hope I am wrong but by this time next year it should be easy to tell just by graphing out the cause of death per 1000 or 100,000 side by side. If nobody died of the flu or cancer in 2020 but the years before total deaths are +/- constant and things go back to normal after the election we will have our proof.

Until then, sitting in front of a TV waiting for someone to make this point sounds like a great way to get old LOL


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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6994879
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So, the last couple of years the number of U.S. deaths per year was about 2.8 million. I have such fights with my liberal "friends" about if a stage 4 cancer person who would have probably died in say summer of 2020 but died because of covid in say April should be be counted as covid or not. Its a semantic game in my opinion. The left uses a model from the CDC called "excessive deaths" where things are modeled compared to previous years. We really won't know until the entire 2020 U.S. death count is tallied in early 2021 what the true impact of covid was for the year. As cold as it sounds,for the "excessive death" modler folks it better be over 3 million for the year. Otherwise, if its down say below 2.9, its was just rearranging the deck chairs. Of course, I'm a totally whacked mean ba****d for saying such a thing on facebook...


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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
So, the last couple of years the number of U.S. deaths per year was about 2.8 million. I have such fights with my liberal "friends" about if a stage 4 cancer person who would have probably died in say summer of 2020 but died because of covid in say April should be be counted as covid or not. Its a semantic game in my opinion. The left uses a model from the CDC called "excessive deaths" where things are modeled compared to previous years. We really won't know until the entire 2020 U.S. death count is tallied in early 2021 what the true impact of covid was for the year. As cold as it sounds,for the "excessive death" modler folks it better be over 3 million for the year. Otherwise, if its down say below 2.9, its was just rearranging the deck chairs. Of course, I'm a totally whacked mean ba****d for saying such a thing on facebook...


You are just doing a cost benefit analysis. Who decided that 2.8 million is the goal? Does anybody think if 5.6 million Americans died in a year it would really matter for the health of the 325 million Americans still alive?


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Re: 1/3 of covid deaths not covid related [Re: bowhunter27295] #6995310
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Dirt, you have a point. We lose less than 1% of the population a year to deaths, probably doing pretty good.

The 2.8 million is a current "base" number to compare 2020 with when we get the final numbers in 2021. If the the total 2020 U.S. deaths aren't over 3 million, is the 200k dead so far "from covid" a lie...?


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I seen a article that said the CDC reported only 6 percent of the Covid deaths were actually caused by the virus. So, who are supposed to believe? I'm thinking the article I read is closer to the truth.

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The 6% was with covid only on the death cert.This came out in the August 26 (a t least) CDC update before Table 3, when they talk about comorbidity. All the others had some other issue (comorbidity) in play. The average was 2.76 other issues. The vast majority of deaths were people who were at risk or actually dying from some other health issue.


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Can someone post a link to the 6% death CDC study? I read it before and can't seem to find it again. Want to show it to all of the checken littles that I work with

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6% of people died from the virus itself, the rest had underlying issues.

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