Otter advice
#7031979
10/29/20 09:49 PM
10/29/20 09:49 PM
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Joined: Oct 2015
NW Pennsylvania
awesome 'possum
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NW Pennsylvania
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This is the first time they have opened an otter season in my area of NW PA. We get a 1 week season in late Feb. What advice do you have for someone who's never chased otters? Type of set? Trap size? Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: Boco]
#7032033
10/29/20 10:26 PM
10/29/20 10:26 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Goldsboro, North Carolina
Paul Dobbins
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Goldsboro, North Carolina
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Remove(trap out) all your beavers then set all the dam crossovers above and below each dam. If it's open water conditions, lay brush along the top of the dam to allow only one or two places for the otters to cross. I've found they'll cross anywhere on a dam and a lot of times along the creek edges. They don't always use the cross-over. Blocking works well and you will funnel them into your traps.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: awesome 'possum]
#7032058
10/29/20 10:53 PM
10/29/20 10:53 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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100 Mile House, BC Can
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Otter Trapping: With regard to the type of area to set, I would suggest key locations would be: - Beaver dam spillways, above and below. Also check each shore edge of dam for other (otter) cross over locations. - Stream pinch points. - Diving sets in narrow stream channels. - Old beaver (abandoned) lodges. - Cross-over shortcuts between bends in a stream and toilets. - Otter Pressure Set: At iced over beaver dams with a constant water flow over the dam place a trap or two back under the ice. Enlarge the hole if necessary, to accommodate the traps. Then block off the sides to the dam with sticks thus forcing the otter through the trap(s).
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: awesome 'possum]
#7032225
10/30/20 06:23 AM
10/30/20 06:23 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Port Republic South Jersey
Newt
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Port Republic South Jersey
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Beaver dam cross overs- Otters will cross more often than not on the right side. While looking at the dam on the down side, where the dam meets the bank.
Toilets- Again looking up stream More toilets will be found on the right. Under the most promlet evergreen (cedar)on the most promlet point.
Footholds- I'v held many a otter in a #2 DLS .The #3 Sleepy Creek DLSOS is my "go to" Otter trap. There can not be too many swivels in your trap chain.
Body Grip traps- I like a 330 with CIRCLE trigger.SWIVELES are a most
Snares- I use 5/64" 1x19 Double Swiveled.With the first swivel as closs as I can get to the 4 1/2" loop that I use. Set 4 1/2" off the walking surface.
Never set IN the toilet.Set the trails leading to or from the toilet.Otter back into a toilet. NOT head on. Dirt hole sets work on location.My OTTERLY SIMPLE LURE works for me.I formulated it when I long line state hoped otters when they adgveraged close to $200.00
DONT forget Mink. They cant pass up a Otter Toilet.
Last edited by Newt; 10/30/20 06:24 AM.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: Aix sponsa]
#7032565
10/30/20 12:45 PM
10/30/20 12:45 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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100 Mile House, BC Can
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On dry land, 220s are great otter traps. In the water, 280 is usually a better choice in my opinion, although I’m more likely to set a 330.
IMO a 330-size trap is a poor choice for otter unless it is fully submerged. For fast moving otter’s a 330-size trap quite often closes on them to far back resulting in poor hip catches that don’t dispatch them quickly. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger 330 beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus, it is the ultimate otter trap IMO.
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: awesome 'possum]
#7032681
10/30/20 02:56 PM
10/30/20 02:56 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Port Republic South Jersey
Newt
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Port Republic South Jersey
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Circle triggers, bctomcat
I cought more mink and muskrat incdencals in 330's with circle triggers than any other trap.
Otters dont go into a circle trigger far enough to get cought by the hips. Most are suit cased
South Jersey Trapping and Snaring School January 17-18-19 2025 NEWT -----------------OVER---------------- www.snareone.com
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: bctomcat]
#7033418
10/31/20 09:19 AM
10/31/20 09:19 AM
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Joined: Feb 2014
Louisiana
Aix sponsa
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Louisiana
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On dry land, 220s are great otter traps. In the water, 280 is usually a better choice in my opinion, although I’m more likely to set a 330.
IMO a 330-size trap is a poor choice for otter unless it is fully submerged. For fast moving otter’s a 330-size trap quite often closes on them to far back resulting in poor hip catches that don’t dispatch them quickly. My experience with the smaller 280 is that it closes faster and results in fewer, if any, poor catches. The 280 will also capture more of the incidental mink and muskrats that often trigger 330 beaver and otter sets without getting caught. Thus, it is the ultimate otter trap IMO. I’m more likely to set a 330, because that’s what I have more of. Just like with dry land mink trapping, I prefer a larger trap, because I can and do add nearby vegetation to camouflage it, as well as narrow the trap opening when needed. I can use grass or sticks to reduce the size of the opening or not. It gives me the option of making a smaller trap out of a larger trap which is easier than making a larger trap out of a smaller trap. Also, I use (2) trigger configurations for my 330s. Twisted together to make a T, dog down and twisted together as a single trigger wire, pushed to one side which helps me to catch beavers while avoiding some otters and other smaller non targets. The T wires, set half submerged and blended as I prefer to set for otters, kills them stone dead. If I were setting submerged BGs for otters, I would certainly agree with that a 280 is a better choice. I just prefer half submerged T triggers here. I know that’s not legal in a lot of states.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: Aix sponsa]
#7033537
10/31/20 12:28 PM
10/31/20 12:28 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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If I were setting submerged BGs for otters, I would certainly agree with that a 280 is a better choice. WHY? If either trap is under water they are both equally effective in dispatching the animal quickly whereas on land, or non-submersion sets, the 330 not necessarily so due do possible poor body strikes.
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: awesome 'possum]
#7034676
11/01/20 01:42 PM
11/01/20 01:42 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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james bay frontierOnt.
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Smaller trap on land in natural pinch or under ice at dams-larger trap(330) submerged in channels. Otters can get out of older 330's set on land,and also can and will avoid the triggers.Too much fencing will cause refusals for a lot of otters on dry land,in my experience.Because otters try to avoid triggers larger traps often hit poorly on the otter.When swimming otters wont try to avoid triggers and the single twisted trigger wire dead center,even on 330's takes them in channels.
Last edited by Boco; 11/01/20 01:45 PM.
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Re: Otter advice
[Re: awesome 'possum]
#7041131
11/07/20 01:25 AM
11/07/20 01:25 AM
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Joined: Sep 2020
Pennsylvania
patrapperbuster
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Pennsylvania
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awesome 'possum. HI from a NW PA trapper also! We're just allowed 1 otter so i just use my #4 dls beaver traps. Or 330. Find toilet areas & set up climb out spot. If i use lure it's been Caven's otter lure. Hardest part in Feb is keeping set clear of ice! Otter will use any main beaver channel in shallower water (330)
TILL THAT DAY.....
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