This is what the Bible says.
And what true believers (the saved) acknowledge/honor.
Until a person accepts Salvation and allows The Holy Spirit in, they won’t get it.

And , Purgatory is not in the Bible.

Indeed, he waited on me 28 yrs!

But Thomas also had to see for himself before he believed.

Jim

Purgatory, the condition, process, or place of purification or temporary punishment in which, according to medieval Christian and Roman Catholic belief, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for heaven.

When I was a kid we said certain prayers to buy time off in Purgatory. Say a given prayer three times a day for a month, and you just bought yourself 396 days off in Purgatory.

In my youthful zeal, I once accumulated more than 25 years off in Purgatory, at the time probably more than my sentence would have been if my young life had been cut short. Since then, 25 years won't be a drop in the bucket of my sins.

You can see how some of this stuff looks to outsiders, can't you?

Jim

Don't care what it looks like to others.Its the truth.Prayer is very powerful.

One should define suicide first.
If one smokes ,knowing it can kill you, and then it does, is that suicide?
If one does a daredevil event that can kill you, and it does, is that not suicide?
If one habitually does something that can kill you, and it eventually does, is that not suicide?
There are all kinds of things that can and do kill yourself suddenly, or over time that most of us do.

What happens after death is beyond human comprehension

Mark you are so right on with the original language thing. Once I started studying scripture from the original language I discovered I had been taught a lot of things incorrectly.

It's not about what sin you have done

It's about wheater or not you have accepted the fact that all have sinned
And that you need a savior.
It's about weather or not you have accepted jesus


Dont do it james. You really gona hate it


It's not about being punished.. it's about who YOU freely chose

The sin that cant be forgiven is rejecting christ

James. Were is any if that in the bible
I dont think it is

Were is that in the bible

John 3

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.

I don't know if M June is a Calvinist or not; I am not, and please guys do not derail this thread on that subject.
However to answer your question, God seeks out everyone.

II Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

You have to trust in GOD for everything
Including goodness. That goodness is christ

You want to depend on yourself he will let you and you will fail
He is the only thing that will not let you down

Well, I guess this also could be if you believe once saved always saved you won't loose your salvation with calvinism doctrine. Which can lead to an entirely different thread but we won't further discuss that here. A person who is governed by the Holy Spirit walking with the Lord Jesus Christ should have the hope that suicide is not the only way. That God is bigger then ANY of our problems no matter how big WE might think it is, our mountain is only a mole hill to God.

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” 2 timothy 1:7

Note, the sound mind.

The original Greek word translated “sound mind” here is sophronismos, and it appears in the Bible only this one time.

In other Bible translations, the word sophronismos is rendered “self-control” (ESV), “self-discipline” (NIV, NLT), “discipline” (NASB), “good judgment” (GW), and “sound judgment” (CSB).

Therefore a believer, has self control and discipline. Wouldn't suicide fall outside those bounds? Now only the LORD knows out hearts but it's a sin.

I think we make the mistake of thinking God is a super-computer , where if you enter the right commands ( prayers , etc..) ; then you're golden . He's the most intelligent deity that's ever existed . I'm pretty sure he can differentiate , assess, and separate intentions, content of the heart , and so on.

Whoa there Buck. Now you gave some translations there but what does it mean in Hebrew?

It might just mean “song of thought be all for naught” or “your get up and go done got up and gone.”

Better wait for someone to tell us.

I didn't see this til this morning and have read the whole thing, so I'm already exhausted, lol. These threads draw me just like the crowing of a rooster draws the fox. Just think what a group of roosters can call up.

To me there is different types of suicide. I've been closer to some than I chose to be. Sometimes people allow themselves to be drawn into situations for different reasons, whether its their idea about what love is, or the glamorous lure of fame and stardom. Sometimes people allow themselves to be drawn into a relationship that they totally give their whole self to and they give their self worth away to another. And when that fantasy of love gets turned upside down by a outside force maybe like adultery, then they have been used up and its time to be thrown away. If they have nothing to fall back on, then they self destruct.

Sometimes people who like control and its always their way or else, when they have spent themselves and are no longer in control, because of some sort of twisted pride do the only way out they think is honorable. They may resort to such means as Saul and have his armor bearer stab him thru or let the police put him down.
There is people that are so hard headed and in control they will not be denied. They use there suicide still as a form of control. Like I told one lady about her brother that killed himself, That was his last selfish grasp at control.
If people truly knew what a terrible burden it puts on their family and loved ones they surely wouldn't do it. It sometimes leaves those who care with a terrible guilt and all those what ifs I had done this or that.

Then there is the narcissists that while he may take himself out but also take as many others with him as possible. Whether its some cult or just a self made maniac.

There is a judgement coming to us all, too many to cover here. But there is one judgement , the Great White Throne Judgement. There won't be any believers of any degree there. That is a judgement best to avoid.

Sometimes we don't know how bad off we are until we are spiritually drunk and fall into the ditch with a pig and the pig gets up and moves, thinking he is in bad company.

Surely religion must have some cures for the ailments of the world. A preferred way is that if we are condemned do away with the laws that condemns us. Just dissolve them into suggestions and then all will be well. There has been a lot of trouble about taking the 10 commandments off the court house lawn. The court house no less, if you go before a court of law what would you like the judgements to be based on, surely not some new fashions of some group that may or may not be here tomorrow.

So if I claim Gentile then does that exonerate me?
Romans 2:12-16
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

We get to thinking we are above the law and I can do anything I want and be forgiven, that is debatable but one thing that is not debatable is that all things I do are not profitable. Still its not how we get in those unprofitable things but how we get out. Many times we try to get out the same way we got in and only compound the problem.

As far as the natural laws go, sometimes if we fly an airplane long enough we start thinking we are defying gravity, but actually we are using another law called the law of lift. You can believe planes don't crash if you want!

God has some laws that was in action back in the Garden.
Exodus 12
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

God himself honored that law, he gave blood which is the life. Jesus gave His perfect life to redeem that perfect Adam. Thus fulfilling life for life and it still stands. He gave the sign of the animal skin in the Garden.

James,



In reference to this question and statement, you must answer 2 questions question first.



”Do I want to be found by God?"

If your answer is no, the answers to your quoted question and statement are mute at that point.

If your answer is yes, then a follow up question must then be answered.


"Am I willing to earnestly follow God once found."

If your answer is no, the answers to your quoted question and statement are mute at that point.

If yes, congratulations, you are on a path to the answers you seek.


Faith in Jesus Christ boils down to a relationship between the believer and his or her Creator and Redeemer.


I liken it to simply wanting to squeak through the doggy door of Heaven, simply gaining entry, versus, longing to hear the words "Well done, good and faithful servant."


Or maybe a better way is to say it like this: Many are willing to accept Jesus as their Savior. Far fewer wish to accept Jesus as their Lord.


The difference is relationship at the heart and soul level.