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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: bowhunter27295] #7095556
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
It's kind of like opioids. They did some research (much more than was done on this vaccine) and came to a conclusion that these drugs were as effective as other pain killers with a much lower addiction factor. This was stated by big pharma.

How did that workout for millions of families and big pharma itself?

I understand the side effects of oxycontin are much worse than any vaccine, however this vaccine has been researched for less than a year.

The term "common" sense comes into play here. It would actually be "common" sense since a majority of people are very reluctant to take the vaccine based on the facts of the vaccine. Time in research being the STRONG limiting factor.

But since some people are scared for artificial reasons, if someone says they are not taking the shot, the scared person labels them as a kook or an anti-vaxer.

So because I won't take a shot that has been on the market less than a month and has been researched less than a year, I am the crazy one?

And people that will take a shot that has been on the market less than a month and has been researched less that a year are the smart ones?

Got it.



No you're not crazy. Just incorrect. I know you won't believe it and that is fine but the technology that this vaccine is based on has been in the research phase since 1990. It's correct that this application of the technology is less than a year old because we didn't have the genome of this virus to work with until 8-10 months ago.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: bowhunter27295] #7095570
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
And I am ok with what you are saying but I disagree with the mRNA delivery method. We discussed this in length on another thread.

But I am correct in what I said:

The covid 19 virus vaccine has been on the market less than a month.

The covid 19 vaccine has been researched less than a year.



I'd be interested in knowing your problem with the delivery method ??


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095578
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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-diseases.html

17 common vaccines plus 9 others. Take a bet on what will be #18.

Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095580
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No question it was quick. But UNFORTUNATELY/FORTUNATELY, the rapidity with which this virus spreads made it possible to have tens of thousands of people involved in phase three trials. If that weren't the case it would have taken much longer. There were no shortcuts taken or protocols eliminated.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095603
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No problem. I would just encourage you to read the history behind the technology and the vaccine. There actually was in vitro testing of the vaccine on human cells, as well as testing in animals. Before that there was proof of concept research that took decades to refine. All before tens of thousands of healthy people volunteered for the clinical trial.

I have no problem with anyone who doesn't want to take the vaccine. What I do have a problem with is factually incorrect statements that may mislead others.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095636
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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095675
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The vaccine has to be delivered intramuscular. Hence the big needle to get past the fat of some flabby arms.

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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095679
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Here ya go



I found this first one very interesting ! It is the history of the technology and how it came to be.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10...ng-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/



Pfizer publication that details the design of the trials and protocol parameters.
https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus
https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf


I hate to use Youtube but this guy...Dr Offit.....is actually a member of the independent panel that reviews trial data and makes recommendations to the FDA. WOrth watching just for his experience with this stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho2VRaIzj28&feature=emb_rel_end



A general history of most of the vaccine projects
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7095696
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That link interviewing Dr Offit is very good. Lots of info to digest.

Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096017
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Just as a technical aspect of this, these vaccines only have Emergency Use Authorization. They dont have actually full FDA approval yet. Which is why companies really cant force you to take the vaccine yet. When the emergency goes away(if this one ever does) so does the EUA.

Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096024
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Three of four in my family have been vaccinated. No third arms yet.

Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096037
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It's way too early to see any real side effects, all we are seeing right now are normal reactions to just about any procedure like this.
Actual side effects, if there are any, could take months or years to show up.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096041
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There is no way they can judge the long term effects of any of these covid vaccines at this time. It just hasn't been around long enough. No studies on the effects on babies born to vaccinated women. No idea if it will cause birth defects. No recourse if it does. It's hard to judge the risk/reward factor without some idea about the actual risks. Especially for younger people of child bearing age.

Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096050
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Is the mRNA in the vaccine a permanent fixture of the body?


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096083
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WHO Finally Admits COVID19 PCR Test Has A ‘Problem’.
“Clear and conclusive scientific evidence proves that these tests are not accurate and create a statistically significant percentage of false positives. Positive results more likely indicate “ordinary respiratory diseases like the common cold.”
“In a statement released on December 14, 2020 the World Health Organization finally owned up to what 100,000’s of doctors and medical professionals have been saying for months: the PCR test used to diagnose COVID-19 is a hit and miss process with way too many false positives.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: bowhunter27295] #7096122
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
But in all seriousness, have you seen how long that needle is? Holy Toledo!!

Hahahaha


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096159
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I guarantee I want have any side affects from the vaccine Because I want be taking it!!! LoL! But that crap in your bodies if you want to but don't be surprised if 10 years from now that you can join a class action lawsuit because of the shot you got years back.

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Originally Posted by steeltraps
I guarantee I want have any side affects from the vaccine Because I want be taking it!!! LoL! But that crap in your bodies if you want to but don't be surprised if 10 years from now that you can join a class action lawsuit because of the shot you got years back.


And the lawsuit will go on for another 10-years like it did for these people...and they were told the vaccine was safe too.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-dam...cine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: bowhunter27295] #7096445
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
This vaccine is not killed virus, modified live virus or attenuated virus.

This vaccine uses messenger RNA. It is a whole other beast.

Do some research on how they made this vaccine. It is totally experimental.

I ain't no guinea pig.

^^^ Exactly

Especially ain't fond of being their guinea pig when the very first thing the mRNA manufacturers asked government for was complete protection from liability. The manufacturers know the risks are unacceptably high.


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Re: Vaccine Side effects [Re: Bob Jameson] #7096447
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Don't you think if this was a real pandemic, all the big wigs would have been first in line. It would be for the good of all.


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