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End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager #7122545
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So I just got a bench swager to help provide some consistency and cut down on some of the snare building racket inside the house from pounding on ferrules and nuts.

Question is though when I crimp on a 5/64" end stop on 5/64" 1x19 using the smallest hole on the 5 hole swager I get the below picture for a crimp. Would you trust this for your end stop on a coyote snare? I have always used threaded nuts and have had issues with those slipping off like I mentioned earlier this year. The swager is the red bench one that is being sold by the trapping supply stores. I crimped it twice.
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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122560
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Use a double ferrule run cable through and back inside the other hole then crimp. 1x19 5/64 is slick and u can get pull outs with just a stop


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122571
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I use that same cable for beaver snares. Even though beaver aint pulling like a coyote, after crimping I tap it a few licks with the hammer.

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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122603
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No. I use my swager for double ferrules and an Amberg swager with their BAD ferrules as the end stop. If you are worried about slippages rig a device that will break the snare. If the end pops off then you will know where the weakest point is. When I did this with the BAD crimped 3 times the annealed nut on the swivel end let go first. 2 crimps and the BAD broke the way it was supposed to. I would definitely test your setup, the stop doesn’t look like it is crimped enough. 5/64 1x19 just like yours. JMO. I only make snares for myself.


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122611
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I would not trust that crimp at all. Hammer it and then cross punch is what I do and it works, [Linked Image]


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122658
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The swagers can be adjusted if yours is not closing all the way on the tip, by chance, adjust it so its closing as tight as possible. Still I'd test it to be sure.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122693
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Just checked and it is completely closing at the tip. I am going to make a short snare and check to see if it blows the end stop off or if my break aways open by using my skinning machine winch to pull on it with a loop tightened around a peice of steel tomorrow to simulate field conditions.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7122834
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I prefer my 5" Navy surplus Wilton vise. It does all of my crimping. Plus it is quiet!


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: the Blak Spot] #7122898
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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
Use a double ferrule run cable through and back inside the other hole then crimp. 1x19 5/64 is slick and u can get pull outs with just a stop


I do the same. Don’t trust a single stop on 1x19 cable

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: cmcf] #7122955
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Originally Posted by cmcf
No. I use my swager for double ferrules and an Amberg swager with their BAD ferrules as the end stop. If you are worried about slippages rig a device that will break the snare. If the end pops off then you will know where the weakest point is. When I did this with the BAD crimped 3 times the annealed nut on the swivel end let go first. 2 crimps and the BAD broke the way it was supposed to. I would definitely test your setup, the stop doesn’t look like it is crimped enough. 5/64 1x19 just like yours. JMO. I only make snares for myself.



This guys got the idea.

I use an Amberg release ferrule for that end as well.

I also use a breakaway j-hook. Redundancy in breakaway devices isn’t a bad thing.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7123893
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The snares I make and sell . Have had the F350 test

Fasten the tag end of the snare to a tree. The loop end gets put over a 3 1/2 PVC pipe cut off about 6" long.Each end of the PVC has 1/8" cable on it so that it will go over my trailer hitch.
I put the F350 in drive and go. The cable is the weakest component.( I use good Korean cable NOT all Korean cable is good cable--- I would like to imform you.)

To put on a end stop.
Useing a Double ferrule. Make a loop. Pull the loop trght. Now crimp the ferrule.

Can the snares you make or buy. Pass the F350 test ?


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7123931
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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7123952
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This is how I always do my end stops on wolf snares.


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Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7124166
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I use the same cable when making snares and I still pound my stops on. Knock on wood but have never had one slip off. I like the ways yours look Boco and Pinedoggin, they would be strong.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7124510
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Well I hooked one up to the winch and the end blew off before the BAD even began to start opening. And my BADs break at 300 lbs tested by the NDGF. Looks like I'll be hammering on more of these threaded end stops I got from Schmitts that are compact. The double ferrules on a coyote snare just seem so large for an end stop.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7124557
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Originally Posted by Nd native
The double ferrules on a coyote snare just seem so large for an end stop.


I agree. I wouldn't want all that on the loop end of the snare. If the stop you got are like I'm thinking, you should be able to crush them on with the tip of your swagger. https://www.schmittent.com/mini-steel-cable-ends

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Nd native
The double ferrules on a coyote snare just seem so large for an end stop.


I agree. I wouldn't want all that on the loop end of the snare. If the stop you got are like I'm thinking, you should be able to crush them on with the tip of your swagger. https://www.schmittent.com/mini-steel-cable-ends


That's what I got for cable ends. Gave your suggestion a try and it works good. Thanks. Now just because I like to test things I'll pull on one of these tomorrow with the skinning machine to make sure I'm crimping enough. I always worry I'm going to over crimp and splay the cable too much.

Appreciate all the advice from everyone else and setting me straight before I made up a bunch of snares with those other ends.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7124746
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An arbor press is your friend when it comes to mini steel cable stops. A 1/2 ton will do it and they're less than $100 on grainger, I got one so I wouldn't wake my kid up while building snares at night. The bonus is you'll find other uses outside of trapping for it. I've also started soldering my cable ends which keeps you from getting poked and gives the end stop an obstacle to overcome in the unlikely event that it slips.

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7124861
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Originally Posted by Nd native
Well I hooked one up to the winch and the end blew off before the BAD even began to start opening. And my BADs break at 300 lbs tested by the NDGF. Looks like I'll be hammering on more of these threaded end stops I got from Schmitts that are compact. The double ferrules on a coyote snare just seem so large for an end stop.

I don't use a double furl on my coyote snares I make either , I use 7x7 and mash on the small treaded end stop your taking about, just not a fan of the 1x19 for yotes in the 3/32. I was just posting the photo so you could see,

Re: End stops on 5/64"1x19 using bench swager [Re: Nd native] #7125967
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I don’t understand why it needs to be so strong?

It’s a coyote snare, doesn’t have to hold a water buffalo.

Buy yourself some Amberg or snare shop release ferrules and the appropriate swager for them, stop worry about it and roll on.

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