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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7125823
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amazon and target have free shipping and keto food you can order. Wife and i have both lost ten pounds in the last month. Bacon wrapped asparagus, look up cauliflower recipes. Like they mentioned above stay away from carbs and mostly sugar.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7125841
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Since I've started lifting seriously, I've started paying attention to 3 macros. Protein, carbs and fat. The body needs all to be healthy.

Re: Low carb? [Re: k snow] #7125891
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Originally Posted by k snow
Since I've started lifting seriously, I've started paying attention to 3 macros. Protein, carbs and fat. The body needs all to be healthy.


Watch some of Dr Shawn Bakers videos. He's won a few world titles and lifts a lot. He's pure carnivore only carbs he gets are the few in meat.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7125901
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Carbs aren't necessarily bad...

But the bread we eat today bears almost no resemblance to what our ancestors called bread.

Pay attention to the amount of carbs in proportion to fiber. Most of the processed junk has little fiber, if any. Whole fruits have a lot of sugar but also fiber... The fiber slows down the digestion process and prevents your blood sugar from spiking off the chart. Without the fiber your blood sugar will spike and your body releases insulin to convert all that sugar into fat for storage and you get no "fuel" from the food you just ate... You pack on fat while you starve.

Mike


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Re: Low carb? [Re: Mike in A-town] #7125932
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Carbs aren't necessarily bad...

But the bread we eat today bears almost no resemblance to what our ancestors called bread.

Pay attention to the amount of carbs in proportion to fiber. Most of the processed junk has little fiber, if any. Whole fruits have a lot of sugar but also fiber... The fiber slows down the digestion process and prevents your blood sugar from spiking off the chart. Without the fiber your blood sugar will spike and your body releases insulin to convert all that sugar into fat for storage and you get no "fuel" from the food you just ate... You pack on fat while you starve.

Mike


Very true. I would add that the fruit and vegetables we eat today bear little resemblance to the stuff our ancestors ate. Fruit especially, was a seasonal treat unlike today where you can go buy fruit any day of the year. The sugar content in the fruits and vegetables we eat now is much higher too. In the northern latitudes just a short 75 years ago most of the people were almost total carnivores. Fat was a highly prized commodity back then.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: 3togo] #7126201
01/07/21 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 3togo
Do any of you folks doing low carb include things like lentils, beans, sweet potatoes? I certainly don't need to loose any more weight, I have a hard enough time gaining weight when weight training. I've always felt that anyone keeping with an exercise program will need some carbs to sustain extended aerobic activity.

You need to remove yourself from this thread immediately. Your physical condition only serves to depress us fatsos. smile

Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126213
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I am a recovering carbohilic, currently off the wagon.
I went on a no carb diet a couple of years ago and was amazed how much weight I lost over a 6 week period. I never felt better. If you do not eat any carbs at all, you can pretty much eat as much as you want. The thing is, after a while you won't be eating as much and you aren't hungry like you used to get when you were on the carb roller coaster.
The first 2 weeks were rough. I felt like I was being poisoned. After that, I felt great.
Warning! It is a lifestyle. It is easy to fall off the wagon.

Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126267
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Lots of talk about low carb/no carb but not much talk about how many calories being burned in a day or what amount of physical exercise is being done.

Aerobic capacity and strength may be just as important as weight. Another thing is sustainability, if you cannot sustain a nutrition plan for year then it is only a temporary fix. Permeant fixes are where health is at.

A healthy nutrition plan and a healthy fitness plan that is sustainable for many years is what will work for many years.....or......some fad diet once in a while while you do not worry about fitness at all....what do you think is better?

I do not think there is anything wrong with good healthy carbs being included in a diet plan. I take in 2500-3000 calories a day and around 40% of that is carbs. I also eat all those calories in an 8 hour window and fast the other 16 hours. 65 yoa, 6', 185# and right now 90 miles a week on the stationary bike plus strength training.

That's a lifestyle.^



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Re: Low carb? [Re: Marty] #7126407
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Originally Posted by Marty
Lots of talk about low carb/no carb but not much talk about how many calories being burned in a day or what amount of physical exercise is being done.

Aerobic capacity and strength may be just as important as weight. Another thing is sustainability, if you cannot sustain a nutrition plan for year then it is only a temporary fix. Permeant fixes are where health is at.

A healthy nutrition plan and a healthy fitness plan that is sustainable for many years is what will work for many years.....or......some fad diet once in a while while you do not worry about fitness at all....what do you think is better?

I do not think there is anything wrong with good healthy carbs being included in a diet plan. I take in 2500-3000 calories a day and around 40% of that is carbs. I also eat all those calories in an 8 hour window and fast the other 16 hours. 65 yoa, 6', 185# and right now 90 miles a week on the stationary bike plus strength training.

That's a lifestyle.^




I agree.

I've seen a lot of people go "keto" and lose weight fast and within 12 to 18 months they are right back where they started. They slowly slip back little by little. Most people want to lose weight but not exercise or be active so they jump on the keto train. It's about a balanced diet and active lifestyle, calories in vs. calories burned.

I also do the 8/16 fast, but right now I'm doing the OMAD ( one meal a day) mostly eggs, fresh meats ( raised and wild), cheese and some fruits and veg. , and I feel great, sleep great, and have better focus and clarity . I also hump about 2 miles a day over rough terrain with 20 to 30 lbs. on my back. The 24 hrs fast isn't for everyone but has so much benefits for your body such as healing and repairing cells, improving cognitive ability and boosting immune system. The 3 meal day is a modern invention, made by man; your body was not really designed for it.

One last thing, eggs are truly a wonder food. They contain everything your body needs( except vit. C) in the right proportions .

Re: Low carb? [Re: 52Carl] #7126503
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Originally Posted by 52Carl

The first 2 weeks were rough. I felt like I was being poisoned. After that, I felt great.
Warning! It is a lifestyle. It is easy to fall off the wagon.



Sugar (carbs) is a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of a drug! The addiction almost never goes away.

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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126593
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I went with a low carb diet last year and lost about 55lbs!!! It was pretty easy once you got on board and had the mindset to stay on it. One thing for sure if you missed a meal or didnt eat enough , I didnt loose any weight and sometimes even gained weight. Make sure you eat till your full.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: DecoyMacoy] #7126606
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I was being friendly and suggesting caution. Who are you and WTH does that even mean? Geez buddy.

Originally Posted by DecoyMacoy
Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Im not sure someone with borderline high blood pressure should start eating nothing but meat and fat... that sounds off to me... but wish you luck


You know, maybe you're right we probably should keep trusting the "news" and the "experts" and the "science"

Re: Low carb? [Re: OhioBoy] #7126631
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
I was being friendly and suggesting caution. Who are you and WTH does that even mean? Geez buddy.



Sorry if this came across as a personal attack. It wasn't meant to be. Its an attack against "conventional wisdom/settled science", especially related to health. I despise seeing excuses to not at least try it. Low carb changed my life in every way for the better.

Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126661
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I am a network admin by trade. I sit, all day, in a cage. I also run a farm on the side, so I go from zero to 100 in the blink of an eye. Still I was packing on weight. Getting older sucks. So, At 42, My doctor told me that all though I don't "Look" overweight, I am, and that my A1C is out of control along with various other blood markers. I was headed down a very dark road. He simply said, cut the carbs son and left the room.
I had several friends that had gone keto and on the outside I saw them loose the weight. Inside, I had no idea how they were doing. So, I asked. Every single one of them said the same things. Dropped Cholesterol, BP was back in check, Blood sugar leveled, A1C was down, no more Hangry. So I started in January last year, cliché I know. I got the flu over new years and didn't eat much over broth and soup for 3 or 4 days so I figured it was a prime time to begin. Between Jan and June, I lost 26 lbs. I had the doc redraw my blood, EVERYTHING was back in the normal range, including my BP. I felt better, had more energy and most importantly, the brain fog was gone.
Got to remember it's not a "diet" it's a life style change. TO start I signed up with some at home company that sent out weekly menu's with shopping lists and recipes. That helped alot as I didn't have to "Think" about what to eat. Just read, shop, make.
Over about 2 months I dropped them and and began cooking for myself, based on just getting to know what was good and not good and I bought a few cook books for inspiration. Ditching sugar was a main issue, but the keto fat bombs saved my arse. I quit booze all together for 90 days, then switched to Titos, club and lemon. No sugar in it other than the alcohol.
Around Thanksgiving, I got off the track and allowed myself to enjoy the treats through the holidays, I'm now back on the wagon, 10lbs heavier. I doubt I'll make that decision again. I just felt like crap the whole time.

To the doubters, all I can say is it works. To the curmudgeons all I can say is not everyone spends 12 hours a day digging a ditch or building a house. We all have to work with what we were given. For many, it's a psychological issue, where as food has become a tool to deal with stress, depression, or something else. You have to re-evaluate your relationship with food entirely and come to understand the things we are given / taught by our parents were largely wrong. Sugar is poison. Wheat/Gluten is NOT good for you.
Salt, Fat, Protein, and a selection of Veggies (not all) and Fruit is actually NOT good for your body. The goal is to keep an even Blood Sugar level all day, any kind of carb will start the roller coaster.

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Re: Low carb? [Re: Rye] #7126695
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Originally Posted by Rye
I am a network admin by trade. I sit, all day, in a cage. I also run a farm on the side, so I go from zero to 100 in the blink of an eye. Still I was packing on weight. Getting older sucks. So, At 42, My doctor told me that all though I don't "Look" overweight, I am, and that my A1C is out of control along with various other blood markers. I was headed down a very dark road. He simply said, cut the carbs son and left the room.
I had several friends that had gone keto and on the outside I saw them loose the weight. Inside, I had no idea how they were doing. So, I asked. Every single one of them said the same things. Dropped Cholesterol, BP was back in check, Blood sugar leveled, A1C was down, no more Hangry. So I started in January last year, cliché I know. I got the flu over new years and didn't eat much over broth and soup for 3 or 4 days so I figured it was a prime time to begin. Between Jan and June, I lost 26 lbs. I had the doc redraw my blood, EVERYTHING was back in the normal range, including my BP. I felt better, had more energy and most importantly, the brain fog was gone.
Got to remember it's not a "diet" it's a life style change. TO start I signed up with some at home company that sent out weekly menu's with shopping lists and recipes. That helped alot as I didn't have to "Think" about what to eat. Just read, shop, make.
Over about 2 months I dropped them and and began cooking for myself, based on just getting to know what was good and not good and I bought a few cook books for inspiration. Ditching sugar was a main issue, but the keto fat bombs saved my arse. I quit booze all together for 90 days, then switched to Titos, club and lemon. No sugar in it other than the alcohol.
Around Thanksgiving, I got off the track and allowed myself to enjoy the treats through the holidays, I'm now back on the wagon, 10lbs heavier. I doubt I'll make that decision again. I just felt like crap the whole time.

To the doubters, all I can say is it works. To the curmudgeons all I can say is not everyone spends 12 hours a day digging a ditch or building a house. We all have to work with what we were given. For many, it's a psychological issue, where as food has become a tool to deal with stress, depression, or something else. You have to re-evaluate your relationship with food entirely and come to understand the things we are given / taught by our parents were largely wrong. Sugar is poison. Wheat/Gluten is NOT good for you.
Salt, Fat, Protein, and a selection of Veggies (not all) and Fruit is actually NOT good for your body. The goal is to keep an even Blood Sugar level all day, any kind of carb will start the roller coaster.


Good post, and exactly what myself and many others have experienced. There is no doubt that low carb has many health benefits. I know its not an easy thing to do or even believe for some. We have been told for 50 years to believe animal products and fat are bad for us. That information was wrong, and science is proving it wrong. Once you are diagnosed with something like I was you have two choices. Take the drugs they are going to put you on; or do your own research and try changing your diet. I chose the diet, and Im glad I did. I had my first appointment ( over the phone) with a specialist since my diagnoses last April. (The long wait is another story entirely) Anyway he asked how I was doing, and what I was doing. When I told him, he said wow thats amazing because I was going to suggest you try the carnivore diet, or at least a very low carb diet. Jordan Peterson and his daughter are quite famous up here and both of them have been eating nothing but meat for years now for health reasons. The daughter has RA like I do and the diet has cured her. All I know is that I wish I had started it long ago, and would advise others to start before you have health issues.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126712
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Another great benefit of the keto/low carb lifestyle which, I don't believe has been touched on yet in this thread, is the mental clarity, high energy levels and near euphoric like feeling of mental well being and positivity.

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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun
Another great benefit of the keto/low carb lifestyle which, I don't believe has been touched on yet in this thread, is the mental clarity, high energy levels and near euphoric like feeling of mental well being and positivity.


Yes the extra energy was very noticeable for me about two weeks in. When the RA first hit I was out trapping with clients. It got so bad I could hardly drive a skidoo, and I couldnt skin at all. My right wrist was really messed up. At night it felt like someone was taking a blow torch to my joints. It got so bad I couldnt even brush my teeth with my right hand. Blood tests showed my CRP levels at 200! When all that just disappears after you stop eating most carbs you realize just how powerful and important diet really is.

I do believe stress can cause some of these things to materialize faster as well. Just before the RA hit the doctors had sent me to Vancouver for a prostrate biopsy. They got me into a pilot program that at the time I was thankful for because it meant I wouldnt have to wait. What I didnt know was that to speed things up and to make it more affordable they used no anesthetics. None. I have never felt pain like that before. I was screaming it was so bad. I finally asked the nurse to put a rag in my mouth so I could bite on it. She did too. They stuck that needle in at least 9 times, and every time it was like some sort of medieval torture. Sounds like a BS story I know, but it actually happened. Something I wont forget. Biopsy turned out OK so I was happy in the long run.


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Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126808
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Just thought of another positive fringe benefit. Complete elimination of chronic heartburn. Pre keto/low carb I suffered from chronic heartburn directly linked to the consumption mostly of processed foods and any type of sugary or bakery type goods. Gone, completely gone on keto/low carb.

Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126820
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After my first year of low carb I went to my Doc for a yearly physical. Every number they checked was for the better than the previous year (by a lot). Told him how much better every aspect of my life was. Then I told him the bulk of my diet was red meat/animal products. Could tell he got a little uncomfortable then gave the typical spiel about fruits/veg/whole grains, etc. He's not my Doc anymore.

Re: Low carb? [Re: yote_trapper20] #7126841
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There are a lot of carb rich foods that are not processed foods. Good whole foods that offer a balanced diet of carbs/fats/proteins.


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